Judge grants Trump's request for special master, halts review of seized documents

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  1. balancing act

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    Maybe Trump will qualify for a court appointed lawyer next?
     
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    His lawyers are all looking for a court appointed client...
     
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  3. Egoboy

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    Here's the T**** response to Digitize-Gate...

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-legal-team-says-vendors-021127415.html

    I know little about digitizing, but it was a mistake to allow the T**** team to have any input on this to begin with. The digitation process should have been contracted through the DOJ (yet paid for by T****), to ensure it was done in a timely manner.

    Letting T**** be in charge of digitizing is like letting the proverbial drunk run the bar....
     
  4. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    And yet, none of the documents in the Mar a Lago seizure are linked to that, are they Zorro?
     
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    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    What due process? If the Trump team is not going to argue that the docs are declassified, then the judge will rule that the docs are classified.
     
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    Being appointed by the President is not a clear conflict of interest. Judge Cannon, I believe, is trying to give every reasonable doubt to the plantiff, DJT, but will eventually rule on the law once Judge Dearie finalizes his review of the docs.
     
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    Unless T**** appeals the 11th circuit ruling, the entire classification thing is OVER.... and even if he does, it will be shortly.

    Now we are onto Attorney Client privileged, and the SM will make every effort to ensure T**** gets what he claims on that front...

    But remember, that when he claims he "won" the battle by getting his AC documents back, he lost the war in the 11th circuit...
     
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    And there aren't even any charges yet. If those happen, then yes, of course there will be due process regarding said charges. Trump can cry all he want about a Special Master he requested from a judge that he personally appointed having basic standards, but only his most desperate worshippers will buy it.
     
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    So... all of them....
     
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    She should rule based on the facts of the case. No special treatment. She brought up how rule 41 (g) and equitable jurisdiction gives her authority to preside over the case. However, Trump and his team did not and have not filed a rule 41 (g) motion. She based her ruling on the intention of what plaintiff might file rather than was they have filed. A judge with proper jurisdiction should give reasonable doubt to Trump. Not her.
     
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    Still tired of winning. :)

    Seems Trump no longer wants that neutral party.
     
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    This is not about charges. This is a civil suit brought on by the Trump Legal Team. They are the plaintiff and must prove their case when they filed the motion legally. What Dearie is doing is exactly what the Special Master was obligated to do by Judge Cannon and to determine whether or not Trump has a legal right to retain those documents, classified or not.

    If Trump proves they were actually declassified, he would have a chance that those docs belong to him as a private citizen. If they are not, as a private citizen he has no chance whatsoever. But Trump wants it both ways and that does not work legally.
     
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    True, and she did not do that based on classified documents and punted the decision to the Special Master. The Special Master and the 11th Appeals Court have now ruled that said documents, about 100 of them, are classified and that Trump had no authority or privilege to have them legally.

    If Judge Cannon allowed the Special Master without the order for the classified documents, I think her decision would have been okay. In the beginning, I think she had no choice but to allow a special master. It will not disrupt the investigation, or even significantly delay the investigation, but show that the court is making sure that the government's case is airtight and to quash any misinformation out there on the remaining docs. That is also why Judge Dearie is asking for Trump to prove in his plaintiff claim that they were planted or not.

    Judge Cannon is an amateur, but I don't think she is corrupt as some have argued.
     
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    He has until September 30th, but I don't even think Kise is willing to do that.
     
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    This aged nicely
     
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    After today, I disagree with your last thought. Apparently she’s there for one purpose: intervene to slow the process.
     
  17. Egoboy

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    Well, that's tomorrow and I heard Kise was removed from the MAL case to the NY Fraud case anyway.... Musical Lawyers...
     
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    I'm not sure if I see how this decision today will slow the process... Dearie will just move on without T**** being forced to admit he's been lying about the evidence being planted... and the DOJ will be in charge of the digitization, as it should have been arranged from the beginning..
     
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    Kise is finding out the hard way that ethical lawyers and Trump do not mix much like oil and water do not mix. But I don't know about Kise and the current situation. Trump more than likely is punishing Kise for his recommendation to have a special master and now that is not working out for Trump. Or there could be a power move within Trump's legal team, or something else.
     
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    she is still an amateur right now and her decision today, or was it yesterday, will not deter the special master.

    Once the special master has completed his work, and Judge Cannon makes her final decision, then I may reevaluate my observation of her. But so far, she is making way too many mistakes on the bench for this type of case and it shows.
     
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    determine which docs/evidence has attorney client privilege for starters, that is the purpose for the SM. Its not his job to determine classification or if trumps unclassified claim is relevant, thats supposed to be the job of the trial court.
     
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    to investigate the evidence is the job if the SM. Think of them as a judges helper, to do all the leg work to lighten the busy work for the trial judge.
     
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    I dont see an SM changing the outcome.
    I believe there were 11,000 documents did someone say only 100 are classified?
    the thing that gets me is daddy Bush still gets top secret CIA reports.
     
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    Oh... it's certainly "something else".... since you didn't mention having a guilty and demented client...
     
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    But that was the orders of Judge Cannon and Judge Dearie has ruled, along with the 11th Appeals Court, that some 100 documents with national defense information, is classified. Now, it has to do with the other 20000 documents which Trump has claimed were planted. Again, Judge Dearie has required Trump to provide evidence and the Trump team has refused. Trump is the plaintiff here and has argued in his petition that the documents are all his, not the DOJ. So, Judge Dearie is trying to make that determination based on evidence. And if Trump's team does not want to provide the evidence as the plaintiff in the suit, then Judge Dearie will have no choice but to rule in favor of the DOJ on all documents for the DOJ other than attorney/client privilege.
     

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