DeSantis, who opposed Hurricane Sandy relief, now desperate for Biden's aid as Ian ravages Florida

So you're going to sit here and tell me that in my last decade in this county that is a heavy producer of citrus that I haven't seen plenty of groves being bulldozed under and sold?

I personally know a Grove owner who would laugh if I show him your post.

There are some very large corporate owners but there are lots of small err operations that have been in the family for decades. Those are the ones being bulldozed and sold.

Look what's been happening to the citrus industry for the last 30 years in Florida. I bet you do not have a clue or you would know the production is shrinking

 

so does DeSantis want to offset what we give to Florida, cut some Republican pet projects

 

The cost of orange juice will hit an all-time high for all of us.

 

I recommend West VA. Not the Wild Wonderful Whites part of West VA but the panhandle or around Morgantown.

 

Because he's not asking for a bill in which the vast majority of the money is NOT going towards hurricane relief.

The hurricane Sandy relief bill was overwhelmingly filled with spending that had nothing to do with hurricane sandy relief.

Nobody opposed the hurricane sandy relief, they opposed all the other bullshit that was thrown into the bill.

 

A government helping out their own country when a natural disaster hits isn't socialism.

If you have to lie to make a point, you have no point.

 

Of course missing from the liberal talking points is mention of the fact that only 30% of the bill DeSantis voted against was to be spent in two years. Just another pork bill will a little bit of help and a lot of port.

 

What pork spending was in hurricane sandy?

 

Yes. There are very few small groves left in florida..most small groves sold to developers for huge amounts of money

Most were bulldozed to build houses and strip malls for the wealthy blue state migrants

the Villages come to mind ..it was a orange grove not long ago

Ask this poor farmer you speak of what his home is worth ..then ask the poor farmer how much money the new pickup truck or car his son or daughter are driving

the only poor farmers are poor farmers

farmers all cry poor mouth so they can keep the government welfare coming their way

They cannot say out loud they are wealthy .if they do the welfare may decrease

 

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You stop deporting people who fled here because Cartels supported by our drug money are kidnapping their daughters for bordellos.

 

16,000,000,000 dollars for Community Development Block Grants (11 billion higher than HUD was requesting at the time)
600,000,000 for State and Tribal Assistance Grants under the EPA
348,000,000 for “construction” for the National Park Service
100,000,000 for Head Start
50,000,000 for the Historic Preservation Fund at the NPS
45,000,000 for upgrades to NOAA aircraft
22,000,000 for upgrading NOAA weather equipment
50,000,000 for “construction” for Fish and Wildlife Services
24,000,000 for the Defense Working Capital Fund
10,000,000 to Small Business Administration to plus up grants to organizations seeking to participate in disaster relief
4,400,000 for “capital improvement” to the Forestry Service
3,000,000 for oil spill research
2,000,000 for the Smithsonian’s famously leaky roofs.
1,000,000 for new cars for the DEA.
1,000,000 to the Legal Services Corporation.

That's not all, those are just some of the most obvious ones.

Those who voted against sandy relief were very specific in stating that they fully supported Sandy relief, just not using the disaster as a way to get their pet projects funded.

"Desantis, who opposed Hurricane Sandy relief..." is a blatant lie.

 

Don't cuss a farmer with your mouthful.

I didn't say the farmer that I know is poor. I see him because he comes in the store early every morning to buy his supplies to go work on his Grove for the day like he always does. Hardly the blueprint of a welfare recipient.

Have you ever heard of citrus canker or greening or the Mediterranean fruit fly? These are just some of the scourges that have been devastating the citrus industry. I live directly across the street from about a 40 acre grove. I can tell you right now they lost about 90% of it in the hurricane. If I live here long enough I'm sure I'll see it bulldozed.

There are plenty of small groves in this county but with each passing year more of them disappear

 

nobody is bad mouthing farmers. But living on a small farm for 11 years in the Midwest gave me a different view of the farming industry ..when roundup came along it changed farming forever
of course with each passing year small groves and farms disappear ..they have been disappearing since modern machinery and roundup came into play ..

The fore fathers of these wealthy farmers had manual labor and tough times ..a bad year could ruin them ..then crop insurance came along ..their risk was eliminated .. but these farmers enjoy the stigma of being the hard working men..when in fact they rarely get dirty ..the machines are all air conditioned and have self driving GPS systems ..

i know a farmer that used to poor mouth and had a $90. Thousand dollar camper trailer sitting in his driveway to use for deer hunting and fishing trips while the crops were laid by

The definition of wealthy can be debated ..but poor is poor ..todays farmers are not poor ..

there was a time a person could actually live off the land and farm 80 acres and be self sufficient ..those days are long gone ..the way farmers live off the land these days is to sell a section for big money ..then every time they need money sell another section ..the only 80 acre farms these days are produce farms

Bill Gates is buying up farmland more than any other person I have read

In the next few decades all produce will be grown in greenhouses

and I predict soon farmers in the Midwest will
Begin to grow 2 crops a season ..

there is already a GMO corn that can be planted and harvested within 110 days

once the scientists get a seed to withstand a little cold then the farmers wil be even more wealthy

 

Then you can show me this federal aid package he voted against. I'll wait.

 

According to CBO’s outlay tables, 24 billion dollars of the allocated funds weren’t expected to be spent until 2016 or after. The hurricane, for reference, was in 2012. And according to CBO, nearly 4 billion of the spending in that bill didn’t even pretend to be for emergencies: 3.459 billion was actually designated as non-emergency spending.

Summary of the Disaster Relief Appropriations Act, 2013 (H.R. 152) as Passed by the House.xlsx (cbo.gov)

16,000,000,000 dollars for Community Development Block Grants (11 billion higher than HUD was requesting at the time)
600,000,000 for State and Tribal Assistance Grants under the EPA
348,000,000 for “construction” for the National Park Service
100,000,000 for Head Start
50,000,000 for the Historic Preservation Fund at the NPS
45,000,000 for upgrades to NOAA aircraft
22,000,000 for upgrading NOAA weather equipment
50,000,000 for “construction” for Fish and Wildlife Services
24,000,000 for the Defense Working Capital Fund
10,000,000 to Small Business Administration to plus up grants to organizations seeking to participate in disaster relief
4,400,000 for “capital improvement” to the Forestry Service
3,000,000 for oil spill research
2,000,000 for the Smithsonian’s famously leaky roofs.
1,000,000 for new cars for the DEA.
1,000,000 to the Legal Services Corporation.

 

Election year versus non election year.

 

And? You think devastated cities can rebuild in just a few years following a hurricane? Also, some of the budget considerations are for long term projects geared towards mitigation.

Let's take a look a look at how Hurricane Katrina and how appropriations were spent by a Republican House and Senate.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/44601

That's right. Almost $25 billion was spent in the fifth year and after. So where was the outrage then and how are the situations different where the those affected by Sandy should rebuild in a few years while Katrina is allowed to rebuild after the 5th year?

The non-emergency spending is for the army corps of engineers.

 

Can the federal government create a matching plan for DeSantis? 100 to 1 or 1000 to 1, whatever will cost him lots of pain.

$10,000 of government money for every $1 of DeSantis own money. LOL

 

There was tons of pork in Hurricane Sandy. Half the funds were earmarked for future projects. Then there were the $10 Billion debt that would have to be incurred to bailout the Government Flood Insurance Contracts that were charging premiums that were unable to fund payouts. This was three years after banks holding products created by private and public finance companies were bailed out, and fiscal responsibility to stop potential inflation became an important issue.

 

So you're now deflecting to Katrina?

Give up.

 

Deflecting? Nope.

I'm simply using a real world example that illustrates that entire states aren't rebuilt in 2 years after a devastating hurricane.

 

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/201323

 

It's pretty much any Governors job to ask for Federal help in a situation like this, but I'm not sure about 'desperate', because Biden pre-emptively promised it to Florida before the hurricane made landfall. As for him opposing Sandy help, I'm not sure how he opposed it, since he was never in Congress, but if he voiced opposition for it, then it sure does sound hypocritical. A leopard can't change his spots......

 

The FL home insurance and flood insurance "market" already was in crisis before Ian.

https://www.eenews.net/articles/fla-insurance-crisis-deepens-as-rates-soar-companies-fall/

Government-backed Citizens insurance is becoming quickly the ONLY option in FL, and it is underfunded, otherwise insurance policies would be unaffordable. Flood insurance policies have been dropped en masse. A lot of this is caused by fraud (greed), i.e. the free market eating itself. It would not be surprising that, after Ian, the FL home and flood insurance market will fully collapse. After all, at least $46 billion in insured losses have been incurred,

So, the government will have to bail out FL not only right after Ian, but for the foreseeable future. No private insurer will touch the state. The only way for people to keep being able to own a home in FL will be through subsidized home owners insurance. Nice job, Republicans and their unregulated free market. Of course, they will find a way to spin this that it is really the Dems/socialism's fault.

 

The 9.7 billion relief for Sandy was additional to disaster relief. It was a bill to be voted on by legislature. Santis isn't asking for a law to be made so that his state gets additional money. He simply has asked for disaster relief.