Why doesn't your god help you?

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  1. CKW

    CKW Well-Known Member

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    Death and destruction is Satan's imprint on this world. It happens everywhere even within our own families. Christians believe that God is in control and trust in God and believing that Jesus took on our sins and died in our place set us free and gives us hope and a future. This world is one page in an eternity of pages.

    Personally I experience God's miracles during times of great turmoil that come into my life. The people in the Bible who turned to God during disaster and built their relationship with Him experienced the same.

    I don't blame Pakistans trouble on the fact they don't worship the one true God. Just like i don't blame Christians on the way to church camp that die in a traffic accident.

    They are simply people in need. And actually I didn't know about their plight until you brought it up.
     
  2. JET3534

    JET3534 Well-Known Member

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    Your statement is both an argument from ingorance and an argument from incredulity. Just because you don't understand something or find it incredible does not support your assertion of a God.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity

    So a universe cannot just appear, but a God can just appear? Who do you think created your God?
     
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  3. Battle3

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    First I reject Wikipedia, even it’s cofounder rejects it because it is so far biased to the left. I won’t even look at any wiki links. Using Wikipedia is the lazy way.

    Claiming I am simply ignorant is not an arguement, it’s a sign of a lack of an argument.

    Finally, it’s not an arguement from ignorance, it’s based on 40 years of extremely sophisticated engineering and mathematics, plus graduate degrees and teaching physics at the university.

    Read the book, study the fundamental forces. Look at the evidence. It speaks volumes you ignore the evidence and blindly claim I am ignorant.
     
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    Gateman_Wen Well-Known Member

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    You know Pakistan has a thriving Coptic community, right? Did their god help either?
     
  5. submarinepainter

    submarinepainter Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? James 2:19-20
     
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    I am not saying you are ignorant. I am saying you used a logical fallacy called an argument from ignorance.

    If you can prove God you publish a few peer reviewed articles in some scientific journals proving god and see how it goes. Citing your degrees is also a logical fallacy, i.e., an arugment from authority. What you are not doing is presenting any empirical evidence to support your claim.
     
  7. Battle3

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    You first (at best) implied I was simply ignorant.

    I have provided evidence, what I have not provided is proof. It’s the same in physics and math, there is evidence of something but it’s not conclusive so a hypothesis is formed, when there is enough evidence to prove the hypothesis then the hypothesis becomes a theory - the scientific method.

    As I mentioned, faith is based on “the evidence of things not seen”, in science it’s believing the hypothesis.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    It's the ol
    It's the old "why do bad things happen to good people?"
    A question thoroughly rationalized by the religious to make sense of a powerful deity watching man suffer and doing nothing or even causing it. It is a problem brought on by believers themselves believing in such a deity. Let's hope they can find an answer that relieves their cognitive dissonance.
     
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    Why do bad things happen? Why does God allow bad things to happen? Religious people ask those questions all the time, there are volumes and volumes of books and articles from all religions written on the subject. If you really wanted an answer, you could easily search it out.
     
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    Would you agree that God should have intervened in their choice to live in areas that are known to flood? Or perhaps instead God should have made for us a world without weather?
     
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    I think the idea is that faith is the first fruits of that for which one hopes, because faith precedes everything. For instance, if you want a watermelon you have to plant the seed. That requires faith with hope that in the end your works will bear fruit. So faith is followed by works(planting the seed) which result in a realization of hope(the fruit) and that all of your faith and works were not in vain. Faith then is hope's first fruit or "the evidence of things not seen."
     
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    Where is the evidence for anything supernatural? If there was evidence, it wouldn't be supernatural. Believe it or not, its up to you. Spiritual/religious beliefs will always seem absurd to someone who doesn't hold those beliefs. Spirituality should be a deeply personal thing, not something codified in a book some emperor put together. I'm just throwing out what I personally believe. Other people's spiritual realities could be completely different and make perfect sense in the life they are experiencing.
     
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    I myself...(no kidding) .....
    believe that Jesus answers me on everything that I ask so.......

    I think and think and think and pray some about the possible negative implications of anything that I specifically ask for.......

    A few moments ago I specifically asked Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to send the TWELVE LEGIONS OF ANGELS TO EARTH..... that he did NOT ask for to save His physical body from the scourging.. .and the crucifixion.... .and from the three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth" / the lowest depths of hell according to near death experiencer Dr. Kevin Zadai........

    WATCH AS THIS EARTH IS ABOUT TO BE TRANSFORMED AND THE PREDICTIONS GIVEN TO MS. JULIE GREEN COME TO PASS!!!!!

    NO KIDDING!!!!!


    Julie Green Ministries



    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAM14iks11e0u32nuYhI4eA

    My theory is that Ms.Julie Green can be so dogmatic...... on statements that could NOT have been made five years ago.... due to the decisions that were made over these past five years.... this is one of the implications of Multiverse Theory as I understand it so far??







     
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    What evidence?
     

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