DeSantis, who opposed Hurricane Sandy relief, now desperate for Biden's aid as Ian ravages Florida

My memory is great, thanks for asking. There are MANY natural disasters, can you point to a consistency that it's republicans who block federal assistance or is Sandy the only complaint? This has been explained already, only 30% of the Sandy bill had aid to the victims, the rest was BS. Immediate aid is what's needed after catastrophic natural disasters. Just because dems throw together a bill with billions going elsewhere, doesn't mean it should automatically be approved. Gov needs to do better.

 

You won't find evidence of it by reading through the posts. It hasn't been mentioned. But yes, an amendment was offered by Dan Coats (R-IN).

You have suffered from the same problem as many other lefties in this thread.....gross lack of knowledge on the subject at hand.

This entire thread was based on a blatant lie, just look at the thread title.

This thread should disappear....it's been an embarrassment.

 

A person who is not capable of learning from his mistakes (especially those which have even been pointed out to him), is in an extremely weak position, judging others' "lack of knowledge." To wit, are you unaware that, when one makes a claim, such as you just did about former Senator Coats, it is customary-- nay, expected-- to provide a link to support it? Did my little btw aside, in my last reply, saying that it would have been appreciated if you had offered a link to your last claim, not get through?

IOW, since you claim to be so much more knowledgeable than all we "lefties," could you please provide a link to something about the amendment, you so skatingly mention?

 

Maybe the Hurricane Sandy relief fund was FULL! of Pork, like so many of these bills are
https://www.gbtribune.com/opinion/columnists/hurricane-sandy-relief-filled-with-pork/


Tom Purcell
Updated: Jan 2, 2013, 5:53 AM
Published: Jan 1, 2013, 5:54 AM


Many news outlets are reporting that President Obama‘s proposed $60.4 billion federal aid bill for Hurricane Sandy victims is packed with pork. I contacted my White House insider, Deep Mole, to get some answers.
Purcell: Isn‘t this another example of reckless politicians exploiting an emergency to fund pet projects and pork?
Deep Mole: Pet projects? Pork? There is no pork in the president‘s proposal.
Purcell: You‘re nuts. As this bill worked its way through the Senate before Christmas, Democrats slipped in all kinds of non-emergency goodies. Then they offered more goodies to Republicans to win their support.
Deep Mole: Goodies?
Purcell: Why does the bill include $2 million to repair roof damage at Smithsonian buildings in Washington, D.C.?
Deep Mole: The Smithsonian is a national treasure that Sandy victims may one day visit. We must make sure they are not traumatized by leaky museum roofs!
Purcell: Nice try, my friend. Why does the emergency bill include $336 million for Amtrak-related expenses?
Deep Mole: Amtrak is a common mode of transportation for New York residents to travel to Washington and go to the Smithsonian. We must make sure Sandy victims are not traumatized by broken-down trains.
Purcell: You are clever. Then explain why the emergency bill includes $8 million to buy new cars for federal agencies.
Deep Mole: Many federal agencies are assisting Sandy victims. They need new cars from government-owned General Motors to drive to the areas where government services are most needed.
Purcell: You‘re good. Then explain why the bill includes $150 million for fisheries in Mississippi and Alaska.
Deep Mole: Hurricane victims are known to work very hard cleaning up their messy homes and burning excess calories. It is essential they have access to high-protein American fish!
Purcell: Then explain how $4 million for repairs at the Kennedy Space Center has anything to do with a hurricane in the Northeast.
Deep Mole: The John F. Kennedy Space Center has launched many historic flights into space, bringing inspiration and hope to millions of Americans. Aren‘t inspiration and hope what Sandy victims need most?
Purcell: Not bad, my friend, but this waste is yet another example of our politicians “not letting a good crisis go to waste.” Our country has almost $16.3 trillion in debt. We are accumulating additional debt at the rate of $150 million an hour — yet the gravy train keeps rolling. Our political leaders are out of control.
Deep Mole: They are?
Purcell: Yes, the Taxpayers for Common Sense explain that the federal government has established a clear definition of what an “emergency” is to determine which incidents or events are worthy of federal relief. Emergency spending should only support something that is necessary, sudden, urgent, unforeseen and not permanent. Those are the rules.
Deep Mole: Rules? The Senate has not passed a budget in more than three years. There are no longer any rules. In our republic the only thing that can stop out-of-control politicians from spending recklessly are the voters — and a majority of them no longer care about what we waste money on, so long as they get their cut.
Purcell: Well, if the pork-laden version of the Sandy bill passes the Senate, the only hope is that the Republican House will do its job and strip out the waste. It is called checks and balances.
Deep Mole: So naive. If Republicans in the House do anything to hold up the bill, the president will tar them for withholding assistance to the victims of Sandy and the media will saturate the airwaves with images of the obliteration Sandy caused. Dumb Republicans can‘t win for losing.
Tom Purcell, author of “Comical Sense: A Lone Humorist Takes on a World Gone Nutty!” and “Misadventures of a 1970s Childhood,” is a Pittsburgh Tribune-Review humor columnist and is nationally syndicated exclusively by Cagle Cartoons newspaper syndicate. To contact him, e-mail Purcell@caglecartoons.com.

 

I purposely didn't provide a link. It forces you to do one of two things, either admit you aren't aware of it or do your own research.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2012/12/20/amendment-cuts-pork-from-hurricane-sandy-relief-bill/

And no I will never link to a previous post in the same thread at which the conversation is occurring because if you haven't read previous posts, that's on you.

Now, you claimed it's 'customary--nay, expected' to provide a link to support your claim. Can you provide a link to support your claim here? Who says it's customary? Is it a forum rule here?

You see how ridiculous you sound? If you want me to back up my claim, just ask, don't be an ******* about it. But rest assured, if I made the claim, I've already looked it up. So if you're expecting to do the customary "you couldn't even back up your claim", it will never happen with me.

Now, you are clearly trying to wiggle your way out of your initial, incredibly uninformed, remarks about hurricane sandy and it won't work.

To that, anything else you want, you can look it up yourself, I've done enough of your homework for you.

 

Other purposes = future projects to mitigate future disasters, but of course the lame stream media won't tell you that.

 

DeSantis voted against disaster relief twice. I have already posted the bills. You can continue to deny reality all you want.

 

You have already been provided all the garbage in the bill so you know better but will continue to post false information.

 

Oh, really?
Then what happened here-- claim:

mudman said: ↑
You should've read through the thread. This lie of a talking point has already been disproven many times over.

Desantis is asking for funds to help with the natural disaster, he's not asking for an assload of pork to be attached to a bill that has nothing to do with disaster relief, which is what was the problem with the Sandy bill.
[End]


So I replied, about this so called "pork," in the Sandy bill, which you'd asserted, absent any sourcing for your "facts," had been proven, within the thread, "many times over."

DEFinning said: ↑
Sure, if you say so.

If I read through the rest of the thread-- a link to a particular post would have been appreciated, btw-- will I find evidence that any of these 67 Republican aid- deniers, who really wanted to help people out, but for the "pork" that Democrats had slipped into the bill, had offered amendments which identified and stripped out these funds, unrelated to disaster relief (so they could vote "yes," in good conscience)?

This was your reply:

mudman said: ↑
You won't find evidence of it by reading through the posts. It hasn't been mentioned. But yes, an amendment was offered by Dan Coats (R-IN).

You have suffered from the same problem as many other lefties in this thread.....gross lack of knowledge on the subject at hand.

This entire thread was based on a blatant lie, just look at the thread title.

This thread should disappear....it's been an embarrassment.
[End]


It seems to me that you made a claim of what I would have found, had I "read through the thread." But, when I asked about it, you replied, "You won't find evidence of it by reading through the posts. It hasn't been mentioned." Which is to say, exactly that which you now bragged, "will never happen with me," just happened to you.


This is the sort of thing, FYI, which destroys a person's credibility, and is precisely the reason why it is sensible-- not being an *******-- to expect anyone to back up any claim, which is not common knowledge, when they make it. You can now take it for granted, that I will ask you to back up every claim of this sort, you make. If you choose nevertheless, to slow down the discussion, by making me ask, that's up to you. But when it follows the same course as detailed above, don't "you see how ridiculous you sound?"

 

What relief did he vote against? He has no voice on the national stage.

 

Before he was governor, he was a member of the House.

 

You are conflating two issues, and I do NOT think it's a honest mistake.

 

This. And it only took 41 posts for someone to point out the truth. Sheesh.

 

C'mon QN, you're smarter than that. With your line of reasoning no red state could ever request aide because of fiscally conservative principles? No, that is not how it works. And btw, I haven't heard anyone rail against putting taxes aside for natural disaster relief.

 

I assume this childish outburst means you are conceding mudmans points?

 

And I assume that your absolute misunderstanding, of my saying just the opposite of what you assume I meant, means that you read at a child's level.

 

Well, the poster I replied to actually stated that hurricane disaster relief is only needed because I (as in all Dems) force conservatives to pay taxes they do not want to pay (i.e. taxes are theft). If they weren't forced to pay the taxes, they would be able to cover for disasters out of their own pocket. "Personal responsibility" and such clap trap. So, there, it's not like NOBODY advocates for such things.

Personally, I am not opposed that some of my tax money is going to hurricane disaster relief. I am also not opposed that some of my tax money is going to people who lost their jobs through no fault of their own (arguably, on a personal level, a much greater disaster than a rich person losing their ocean front vacation home in a hurricane). No, it is conservatives who usually whine about their "hard earned" tax dollars going to undeserving people, the unemployed included. That's why it is important to point out the hypocrisy.

In the IDEAL conservative world, everyone would be personally responsible. That means everyone would have home insurance, flood insurance, medical insurance, car insurance, long term care insurance, insurance against job loss, and the list goes on. Except, in the REAL world, most people, even conservatives, do not have many or even none of those insurances, including in a hurricane prone zone like Florida, where hurricane disaster is entirely predictable. Why? because of foolish human behavior, both liberal and conservative. Everyone always thinks it will be the others who are afforded the bad luck, and they themselves will be spared. Then, when the bad luck hits them, they want someone to lend a helping hand, i.e. the government. However, they cry when they have to lend a helping hand through tax dollars to someone else who has fallen on bad luck. they call it welfare and bad decisions when someone loses a job and gets assistance, and is unable to find a new one. However, isn't having a home in a hurricane prone area without having home owners or flood insurance also a bad decision? But, no, then it is called disaster relief rather than welfare, because hurricanes don't discriminate between conservative and liberal houses.

 

Rules for thee but not for me (it really is this simple)....after all the RW are real Americans hence so much more deserving!

Well critical thinking, reasoning, fairness, facts and reality don't work well for partisan politics especially the far RW (who now dominate the Trump Party). The RW leaders and pundits just whine up the "rhetoric" and the flock fall in line and march.

 

Fair chance of that. Happens a lot around here when threads are unfavorable to the right. You can bitch all you want about how unfair it is to DeSantis because he opposed the relief fund for reasons x, y and z and it will still not negate the fact that he opposed it.

 

There are currently eight U.S. states that are considered donor states.

They pay more to the federal government than they receive in return.

New York is the largest donor state in the U.S., with a negative balance of payments at $22,798,000,000. For every dollar New York gives the federal government, its residents are only receiving $0.91 back.

Seven other states are donor states:​

• • New Jersey (-$10,334,000,000)
  • Massachusetts (-$9,919,000,000)
  • California (-$6,653,000,000)
  • Connecticut ($5,754,000,000)
  • Minnesota (-$1,896,000,000)
  • Colorado ($1,374,000,000)
  • Utah (-$416,000,000)
  • 
    
• The debtor states that take more from the federal government than they pay in taxes are, in order:

• Virginia
• Kentucky
• Florida
• Maryland
• Ohio
• Pennsylvania
• North Carolina
• Alabama
• Arizona
• South Carolina

​

 

Additionally, it's not "Biden's" aid that's being asked for since I assume that folks in Florida pay taxes too.

 

Ok what was only 30% ?? The aid that is going there now is being "thrown together".

All I see and read is complaints, complaints that you are getting help, and complaint when you need to help. !!!!!
Being ungrateful is a poor way to go through life IMHO.

 

Not nearly as much as they receive from the federal government.

"Dump those federal tax dollars on us!
Thank you, New York and Massachusetts.
I'll pay you back with a surprise dump of desperate
families in Texas fleeing poverty and oppression!"​

 

Interesting. Here’s something else that’s interesting, every single one of those states is in the top 20 for highest minority population by percentage except Kentucky and Ohio and they’re right outside the top 20.

And while I haven’t done it, I would expect if we changed your list to the top 20 they would be pretty close in matching mine.

 

It's already been proven that he did not oppose the relief.

Opposing a bill doesn't mean you oppose every single thing in the bill. Surely that's something you can grasp.