Sorry Liberals, But The Nazis Were Progressive Leftists

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  1. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nope! Credibility lost. I posted that 30 seconds ago. There is NO way you watched it. You are commenting on things you haven't seen. Does an arse get sore when someone constantly talks out of it? Just curious
     
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    It is a fact that as much if not more influence is wielded behind the public scenes where heads of state or their representatives all inhabit the same space.
     
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    thinking that ALL jews are zionists is actually zionist propaganda, significant numbers of jews oppose zionism, and believe it or not the whole world exists outside this forum and events can be monitored elseware
     
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    I disagree. The issues they were addressing in the constitution (insofar as the rights of men are concerned) were issues of morality and right and wrong. They were issues of the “divine” or natural rights of men which do not change regardless of the time period they are in.

    I don’t disagree that new innovations and research may cause a slight reinterpretation however the underlying principle should remain. Meaning did the founders consider that we would have bazookas and tanks and land mines and automatic rifles? Well I think they did consider military advancements but for the sake of argument let’s assume they didn’t. The underlying principle of the second amendment should remain.

    The intent of the second amendment is to give people the right of protection of their person, yes from criminals, but more importantly against a tyrannical government who may wish to usurp their rights. Which means reinterpreting the second doesn’t mean going BACKWARDS and taking parts of it away or restricting peoples right to do so as that would fundamentally alter the PURPOSE behind the second. It means updating it to include those types of things because they are necessary for a free people to retain that freedom.

    The same is true with the first. The intent and purpose of freedom of speech is to ensure that the government doesn’t have the ability to shut down avenues of thought which they don’t like. Did the founders consider there would be a platform where every person can go on and express their views publicly for any other person in the world to see at a moments notice? Probably not. But the INTENT behind freedom of speech should dictate that those types of platforms will not be restricted either explicitly or implicitly by the government (such as using the government to dictate to Facebook what posts they should ban). To allow otherwise would fundamentally undermine the first.

    When an originalist says they’re an originalist it’s not because they think they need to think like they’re in the same time period as the founders. It means they need to read the constitution and apply it with the same INTENT and PURPOSE that the founders had.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    NOPE! you didn't watch video. Stop replying to that post if you aren't going to watch it and comment on the content matter. If you are anti-semetic, that is your right. I think its lame but it is your right as a free human. Just don't pretend the majority of lefts aren't anti-jew. We know the truth
     
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    we then just disagree, and that is what america is all about
     
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    i believe they are protesting "zionism" which has strange historical connections if you research, even adolpf eichman said he sympathized with zionists and said if he was jewish he would be a zionist, if you still day jewish and zionist are one and the same, you have not researched anything
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you BELIEVE they are protesting SOMETHING?
    You didn't watch and still running your mouth about it. What a waste of my time. Oh well, if anything, you are bumping this thread so thats good. 13 pages and counting. Don't worry, i'll be sure to take this thread WORLD WIDE so the left is once and for all exposed for their NAZI beliefs
     
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    be my guest raging RWer with limited knowledge, i am believe the "jew free zones" are more specific to zionist types with typical RW exaggeration applied, sorry
     
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    congrats! its on page 14 now. Your need to have the last word is working quite well. Looking forward to your next response
     
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    i try
     
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    I have not found anything in searching Google about your allegations:

    1) changing the makeup of the count in order to "pack the court with chosen stooges" In 2016, the Democrats tried to nominate Garland, which was accepted by both sides, for the Supreme Court and it was the Republicans that stopped that. Garland was not "packing the court with stooges". On the other side of the coin, Kavanaugh, Barrett, and Gorsuch WAS packing the court with stooges by the Republicans. You are not looking for justice, you are looking to keep YOUR stooges in control.

    2) you need to show proof that the FBI admitted to anything bad regarding Danchenko. I could not find anything in searching Google.

    3) It is totally false (debunked) that the FBI continued paying Danchenko:

    Debunked Anti-Trump Dossier Sub-Source Who Sought To Traffic Classified Information Remained On FBI Payroll Until Late 2020

    I know you are convinced of your "fantasy facts" and that you believe them. Unfortunately, data, fact, and truth do not support your views. So now, what fake words will you continue to use to try to "sell" your point of view to people that don't have any brains and that don't require facts, data, and proof to be shown to believe your view?

     
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    Bahahah it always helps if you read your link instead of just the title especially when you misunderstand what the title is saying

    https://www.grassley.senate.gov/new...ation-remained-on-fbi-payroll-until-late-2020

    Read it again or should I say for the first time.

    And here’s your source on Danchenko:
    https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/sep/19/lawyers-anti-trump-dossier-source-igor-danchenko-a/

    although you provided a pretty good one for me
     
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    I've faced anti-semitism once or twice from leftists. Once on this forum, and once on Facebook. That's about it. I've faced it far more often from the right. The Holocaust deniers that I've met here have been on the right, and one even praises Hitler in is signature . . . or he did before I put him on iggy.
     
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  15. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What right wing jew violence happened to you? and are you trying to compare someone's forum signature to making ANTI-JEW zones in a college?
    Man, thats what i call being far up the arse of the left
    You'll make ANY excuses for these people wontcha?
     
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    I'm not sure why you are changing the subject to violence when all I said was anti-semitism, but since you brought it up, getting called a "jew boy ***" while having someone through a bag of ice at me from the back of a truck comes to mind. It wasn't exactly the first time I've had someone in a RW town call me "jew boy" and remind me to be careful where I walk at night. Judging from their bumper stickers and their choice of words, not to mention the town I was in, they where righties. Bonus points for throwing in some homophobia with that anti-semitism I guess.

    And I don't recall comparing a signature to anti-jew zones. And I had to look up what you were talking about with regards to those supposed "zones." Turns out all it was was 9 student groups adopted a rule against inviting pro-Israel speakers to events . . . that's it . . . no actual "Jewish free zones." Sounds stupid, but that's not anti-semitic. There are a ton of Jews who don't like Zionism and don't like how Israel is run. Criticizing Israel doesn't make you any more anti-semitic than criticizing George Soros does.

    And, as I've said on this exact topic in the past, multiple times, my experiences might have been different if I had grown up and gone to school in LW areas instead of a RW ones. You can definitely find anti-semitism on the left, and as I've said, I've encountered it. And it is particularly popular on the black nationalist side of the left and among the "tankies." I've just experienced it far more often on the right, both in my personal life and on this forum. The fact that I grew up in a conservative area might explain the former, but it doesn't explain the latter.
     
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    I think this will be my "last" conversation with you. You are blind by choice.

    I specifically gave you Chuck Grassly's link given that he is a GOP biased representative. He was addressing the "Debunked" report that was given for the Danchenko rumor that the FBI kept on paying him. The key word is "debunked". It was debunked but like you, Grassley did not believe it. It is the same thing everywhere with the Republican party. Few Republicans believe facts. They believe their own untruths.

    Once again, your link about Danchenko proves NOTHING. Yes, he lied! Yes, the FBI believed him! So what else is new? After all, Trump believed Putin when he said he had nothing to do with the election tampering done in 2016, even though all data showed that he did. Trump was scammed by Putin and the FBI was scammed by Danchenko. Hekc, you have believed everything Trump has said and you still "continue to believe it". It happens, you know.

    Fortunately, the FBI woke up to the scam and stopped it. Trump still believes Putin and you still believe Trump. Talking about things that need to be changed, you and Trump are great examples.
     
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    at the time of 2nd amendment keeping a firearm was considered a common thing, it was in fact aimed more at a militia
     
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    its nearly usless to try to explain the difference between zionism and anti-jewish, the RW is either incapable or just refuses to learn, remember the Jewish american population is overwhelmingly liberal and educated, the RW can only resort to name calling as an explaination
     
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    I agree that the 2nd amendment of the Constitution was put together in order to give people the right to defend themselves but they never considered the changes that technology could bring about that would make individual weapons able to kill large groups of people in a few minutes. Had they known, I am sure they would have put some exceptions that would prevent anyone from getting their hands on weapons that could generate mass murders. Mass murders did not exist in 1776 but now they do because of the ability of the weapons now built.

    In 1776, the weapon of choice was the musket. It could fire as much as 2 rounds per minute (if used by an experienced shooter). If you were being attacked by a feuding family of 10, you could defend yourself effectively as it will take much more than 5 minutes to attack you successfully. A musket was an effective weapon for defense.

    These days, the weapon of choice for defense is the AR-15, which is a weapon that can fire as many as 45 rounds per minute, meaning that you could defend yourself even against an entire riot. How many of us will ever be attacked by a riot? (one in a million?).

    This was not what the Constitution meant to do or have as defense and yet, over 11 million AR-15's have been sold.

    One thing that the Constitution would never have wanted is to give people the arms to where they could generate mass murders of innocent people. A musket being used in a mass murder could kill a few people but even that is probably too much because a man carrying a musket can be overcome easily if surrounded by a large amount of people, even if surrounded by just kids and teachers. This means that probably no more than 1 or 2 would get killed before the shooter would be stopped.

    I can guarantee you that if our forefathers would have known of AR-15's and the mass murders than have occurred because of them, they would have put exceptions to the 2nd amendment that would limit the purchase of them to normal citizens.

    Do you understand the fact that there are 11 million of these arms out there? If they were all used to mass kill people, you could actually kill 500,000 people in a minute? Do you think our forefathers would have allowed that to happen? The 2nd Amendment has to be changed to address this problem.

     
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    Jesus Christ dude. Read the link you gave. They aren’t saying that the report about Danchenko being a paid FBI informant was debunked. They’re saying that the report Danchenko gave the FBI about Trump was debunked.

    READ YOUR OWN LINK:


    “Grassley, Johnson demand explanation for the FBI’s continued reliance on sketchy source at taxpayer expense
    WASHINGTON – Years before it paid the rumor peddler at the center of the debunked anti-Trump dossier, the FBI considered him a counterintelligence threat. Payments from the FBI to Igor Danchenko, the dossier’s primary sub-source, continued from March 2017 to October 2020 despite his problematic history and ongoing congressional investigations into the FBI’s years-long Russia probe codenamed Crossfire Hurricane.”

    You have no idea what you’re talking about and you’re posting links that refute your OWN argument because all you did was read the headline instead of the actual story.

    Jesus Christ dude
     
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    Okay, I grant you that in this case you are right. I read an additional 3 articles about the Danchenko situation and it does seem that he lied or at least misrepresented some of his sources. I also read that up until 2021, the FBI still believed that all of the reports about Danchenko misleading the FBI was Russian misinformation.

    This does show that the FBI did not do their job in the proper manner.

    Are you happy now?

    Nonetheless and having said that, why is this so important in the overall scenario? The belief that Trump was involved with the Russians was not just because of Danchenko. I have in the past (on at least 5 occasions) done OP's (not here but on other political boards) that show many examples that clearly suggest that Trump was involved with the Russian's that have absolutely nothing to do with Danchenko:

    1) Trump was broke and no U.S. banks would loan him money and he had to depend on the Deutsche Bank for loans and that bank is Russian backed.
    2) Trump allied himself with the Bayrock Group for 7 years and they were all Russian mafia backed
    3) Trump was asked to have the Miss Universe pageant in Moscow and Trump complied
    4) Trump wanted to build a hotel in Moscow
    5) There were more than 250 visits to Russia by people tied in with Trump. What makes it even fishier is that when asked by Mueller, they all "lied" about it.
    6) Trump debased most every leader in the world at some point, but never debased Putin. In fact, lauded him often.

    As such and even if Danchenko lied, there is high probability that Trump did have Russian connections with Putin.

    I still believe your post is cherry picking trying to find excuses to find Trump innocent. I don't believe he is.

    and by the way, incompetence (in this case by the FBI) is not rare. Trump was incompetent in just about everything he ever tried and I do not see you criticizing that.
     
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    Okay
    1. West Virginia
    2. New Mexico
    3. Mississippi
    4. Alabama
    5. Alaska
    6. Idaho
    7. Louisiana
    8. Maine
    9. Wyoming
    10. Montana
    Of those, 8 are Republican led states with one, New Mexico, a Democratic State, and Maine with splits its votes from Republican and Democrat. Notice that a majority of those states are in the Deep South.

    https://smartasset.com/data-studies/states-most-dependent-on-the-federal-government-2022

    Aid in this case is basically welfare and does not include any federal government contracts, jobs, or offices.
     
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    He does not know what Zionism is.
     
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    Pol Pot, a communist, was the leader of Cambodia during the fall of S. Vietnam to the communists in the north of Vietnam so Pol Pot was left winged not right winged.:roll: You're right. A prince, for example, could be a right winged fascist.

    BTW, not all authoritarians are fascist but all fascists are authoritarian.

    My point is that stating that all fascists must be right winged is flat out wrong since stating that all fascists are right winged is the perspective of the communist, for example, since all political ideologies are to the right of the communist.
     
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