Americans will get the economy they vote for, so be careful

Can you factually prove that those who receive aid have access to jobs that pay enough to allow them to live ?

 

So you think that America is all about the economy, eh?
You couldn’t be more wrong.
The 2020 election showed us that Americans care more about the character of their leaders.
And as long as the right only offers Americans divisive paranoia, tribal hatred, misogynist attacks on women and disdain for minorities and the poor, they will continue to lose.

 

Conspiracy theories and alternative facts are the only ways to deal with reality for many on the far right.

 

I guess that if you subscribe to the ‘I, me, mine, you’re on your own’ philosophy, this grubby nonsense sounds attractive.
But to me it sounds selfishly ignorant and meagre of heart.
Try remembering what Jesus said in the sermon on the mount.

 

Hardly. They appear from across the Channel or overland across Europe in their thousands every year.

The problem is solved via democracy?
The Tory party has pledged over 12 years to stop immigration. The statistics show a rising number of migrants moving into Europe.

The USA is the richest country on the planet and boasts the best standard of living in the world.
Whether this is true or not is debatable.
But don't ever try to pretend you are the most Christian, generous, righteous, moral nation on earth.
That deserves a huge guffaw from the rest of the world.
One of the most generous moral countries is Jordan, which has housed almost as many migrants as indigenous people.
Closely followed by Turkey.
Muslim countries.

 

When it suits their purpose, the hyperliberal Left loves to throw together sob-sister dreck like the above to try to put people on some kind of guilt-trip for making a success of their lives. Nevertheless, as long we're lobbing religious concepts now (which the hyperliberal Left is usually allergic to), you may enjoy what the Apostle Paul wrote in Second Thessalonians, Chapter 3, Verses 6 - 12. Look it up in the same Holy Bible you used to find the "Sermon on the Mount"....

News flash: a LOT of us were given NOTHING as we approached adulthood, but through determination, perseverance, and a hell of a lot of hard work, we achieved goals in life that were pursued with energy and focus. This is what citizens of the United States routinely used to do before our culture became contaminated by the America-hating Left. Now more and more people would just rather sit around in a drug-induced or alcoholic stupor, celebrating their 'victimhood', and making others support them. In one word, that's BULLSHIT!









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"But don't ever try to pretend you are the most Christian, generous, righteous, moral nation on earth." What? Moi? I would never try to pretend such a thing. America grows less and less "Christian" every year, and moral...?!

Indeed, as far as adherence to religious principles is concerned, I don't doubt that the populations of many Muslim nations obey those prescribed in the Quran, including those enveloped in the Islam understanding of what is "moral".

But, as you watch the U. S. dole out billions upon billions of dollars' worth of war-fighting materiel to Ukraine (far more than any other NATO country), as well as our annual donations to the IMF, and separate handouts in the amount of other billions of dollars in "foreign aid", we ain't exactly a bunch of "Scrooges".

But, that's not why masses of poor people swarm in here now from all over the Third World, Pixie. No. They've been surging in here ever since Geriatric Joe Biden 'mounted the throne' because they are well-acquainted with the paradigm of Democrats shoveling out welfare with reckless abandon in return for VOTES! Oh, and who says you REALLY have to be a 'citizen' in order to vote in this country...?

So, why stay at home in Guatemala or Haiti where living his hard, wages are poor, and living conditions are generally awful when you can be welcomed with open arms by the ruling Democrat Party in the United States? All you have to do is show up and say the magic word, "Asylum", and from that moment you are treated to free food, free shelter, free medical care, free legal council, and free whatever-else-you-need, with only the flimsiest requirement that you even have to bother to show up several months later for a "hearing" on whether or not you'll be allowed to continue your do-nothing welfare 'feast'.

How do Britons handle their massive influx of 'migrants'...? I do not know. Ostensibly, one of the key reasons the Britain left the EU was so that they could escape the migrant-madness practiced in Germany, France, and several other EU countries. But, if anything I read lately is accurate, even though Britain is 'free' from the EU-"contamination", they're still overrun with migrants.

Funny. It seems that we in 'the West' can develop remedies to deal with pandemic diseases, but not against hordes of peasants in uncontrollable migrations.




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Free stuff?
You mean those fundamental needs to live...food, shelter and medical care.
The UK gives asylum seekers 35 pounds A WEEK.
I dont know what the US gives them but 35 pounds a week is 5 pounds a day. A pizza costs twice as much.
In your world of immense riches, those who are subject to your conditions for granting of asylum, are affordable. Why should human beings not try to spend their days trying to better their lives by knocking on the legal doors of the rich USA?
I doubt that we they importantly affect you or your country. You still have enough money sloshing around to support massively wealthy lobbying , advertising to keep the dollar turning around the economy even if what is sold is ecological crap. Where people think nothing of throwing away enough food to feed half a dozen migrant families every day not to mention non food items you are merely bored with.
If I lived in Haiti among a population full of drug dealers, violence and had my house blown down by storms made worse by climate change and I had NOTHING, nor even a prospect of a job, I would try to find a better life before I got too old to move too.
And no
No programme to stop people from trying to have meaningful life will stop them. As I said they hardly affect your welfare.
And your migration is controllable. You have laws to do that.

 

Frankly I find this so internally focused and bitter.
How can you assume en masse that everyone starts at the same level. Do you have no understanding of individual situations?
I'm alright Jack is not attractive.

 

Last thought

You want people to try to better their lives?
That is exactly what they are doing.
They just have to start in a less advantageous place and position and do the only thing they can do.
You had a complex and very wealthy country to exploit.
You were buddy lucky.

 

And my last thought regarding this? What it always has been until recently: that foreigners who want to immigrate to the United States can do so -- LEGALLY. There are specific procedures that are supposed to be followed when any foreigner migrates to any other country, but, under our present Democrat regime, just about anything goes.... And if these migrants just 'want to have a better life', I suggest that instead of running away from the ruined states they came from that they GO BACK there and change things themselves... it's not our responsibility as Americans to give foreigners "a better life", or any other un-EARNED compensation....

After I retired, I gave some thought to the idea of obtaining a visa and living in Germany (until I found out that in a number of key ways, Germany's situation was even worse than our situation had become back in the States). It was a process! And, at the time, if you wanted to remain and become a German citizen, you really had to jump through a serious number of 'hoops', involving language AND a considerable amount of money to prove you could support yourself! Today, however, my German friends tell me sarcastically, that as long as you are any color other than WHITE, you'll just be allowed in, with few or any stipulations really required. It made me think how closely that resembles the pile of chaotic, unmanageable crap we've allowed our system of immigration to turn into over here.

Truth? Immigration into the United States has become such an unending catastrophe over the last twenty years that we badly need to put an air-tight FREEZE on all inbound migration to this country for a 'cooling-off' period of at least five full years! Nobody would be able to migrate here for any reason whatsoever unless there is absolute, verifiable PROOF that the migrant qualifies for asylum under actual, demonstrably-real circumstances -- period!








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All your conditions are applicable to laws you pass.
Your friend in Germany is incorrect. Under EU and UN law it is illegal to discriminate among asylum seekers. However a large majority are not white until recently when more Albanians have started to arrive. White people are already in a good place.
You cannot stop asylum seekers due to the 1956 UN convention on Refugees updated 1967.
Imagine if you had decided to move to Germany and were told you were not wanted.
There were too many applicants.

I am not a fan of illegal immigration but rely on a nation's laws to define "legal".
With all that land and opportunity , I am not surprised that those condemned to a life of abject poverty try to leave their homes. I mean what opportunities do they have in Haiti?. Why should they have to stay there?

 

Unless there's some feature in Haitian law that forbids its citizens to leave that country, they wouldn't "have to stay there", to the best of my knowledge. But, in truth, I neither know, nor care anything about Haiti or a dozen other Third-World countries, Pixie. I'm just being honest. Our United States of America is my paramount concern, followed by the well-being of our trusted allies. And right now, we're all in varying degrees of trouble, social and economic.

Perhaps Haitians should consider moving to Chile. I've been told for many years that Chilenos are the friendliest, most welcoming people in the world!

 

The issue is opportunity not friends.
I dint know what Chile's immigration situation is.
I suggest that if you were born in a place like Haiti or where drugs lords rule the streets and anarchy is the norm you might want to get out too.
My mother migrated yo the UK, my parents migrated to the US then back to the UK and I migrated to France. All legally because we were buddy lucky. But we all wanted something better and we weren't living in daily fear for our lives.

I dont see what terrible effect migration to the US . I can understand the overcrowding in small countries. But only this year the UK has come to seriously regret kicking EU immigrants out. Important sectors are understaffed and it will take years and billions to train Brits who MIGHT want to fill the gaps.

 

I can't disagree with anything you say here, honestly. And because all of your family's migrations to and from different countries was legal, then who could complain about that...? I certainly wouldn't... and I think that many times the issue of sheer "legality" is overlooked! If what a migrant does is legal -- and if the rules and laws that pertain to his/her situation are fully observed, there is no infraction (although I'm still not sure what "buddy lucky" means).

My people got here from Germany back in 1905 (I think), landing on the coast in Galveston, Texas, and then making their way up into Central Texas, which was heavily populated by immigrant Germans, and had been, since way back in the 1840's. In fact, author, T. R. Fehrenbach states in his magnificent history of Texas, entitled "Lone Star" that throughout the 19th-century after 1845, German speakers outnumbered even Spanish speakers in San Antonio, Texas (Bexar County). Ah, but I digress.... Anyway, today, you can speak "Tex-Mex" throughout San Antonio, but you'd be hard pressed to come across anyone who speaks German, unless you were to run into me down there. Ah, I'd love to show you the River Walk in San Antonio at night....








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Yes be very, very careful

 

I did mention "legal migration".
But stop for a moment and look at those laws.
They are kind to white well educated people from rich countries.
They military against non white people who are trying to escape poor education, poor prospects and no opportunities to do what you applaud...Work hard and improve themselves. There is no way they can do that where they are by simple chance.
Yet most wealthy countries reject them because they can't immediately contribute to the life and economy of the country.
Yet no country can ultimately afford to house an endless stream of poorer people for a generation until the young can start to add something to their new home. They have never had the chance to do what you expect...work hard and succeed. Where could they do that in Haiti or other dirt poor countries? But clearly they WANT to or they wouldn't migrate.
That is why there are national asylum laws...to sort the wheat from the chaff. Whether you think they are too strict or too lenient is a matter of opinion of course but IMO to reject all migration on the grounds of extra cost to the country seems unfair. Those who migrate have to start somewhere and countries like the USA with all that space and opportunity seems to be one of the best. It isn't a "catastrophe" as you say.
They don't materially change your life. But they do change theirs.

 

They can't save the nation with socialism without first doing away with capitalism. Pretty obvious.

 

@Darthcervantes
It might facilitate conversation if some stop to remember what is a social policy, what is an economic policy and what is a political policy, and stop confusing them one huge misdirected snowball.
Education policy has zero to do with economic policy.

 

I guess that's true. but the people being educated now will be responsible for the economy and that is scary. Most people under 25 cannot name more than 5 united states and they cant' do math and are getting dumber and dumber
Here is some proof for you

 

That, with all due respect, is a completely different issue.

 

Again and again in human history we see that people band together in one way or another and become 'countries' (no, I'm not trying to sound as stupid as Kamala Harris talking about Ukraine and Russia being 'countries', and I'm coming rapidly to a point). The people who choose to be a part of these 'countries' succeed or fail as a society for a variety of reasons -- but -- it's UP TO THEM!

That's about as simple and honest as it can be said. And if people from one 'country' choose for reasons of their own to gain entry into another society's 'country' it is not (NOT) mandatory that the 'target-country' must allow the migrants to come in! Look back thousands of years and we see the repeated cycles of war, famine, drought, and other natural disasters, along with many different forms of 'government' ranging from tribal chieftains to constitutionally-founded republics. Again -- simply put -- it is up to the population in the various 'countries' to decide how they will live, subject to which laws, and with what goals (or the lack of them) they choose as a people. But it is not the responsibility of any OTHER country to absorb people from 'countries' where people choose to leave! Maybe Kamala's right after all -- maybe it really does have to be couched in language so agonizingly simple that it does border on being stupid!

Thus -- the United States doesn't owe Haiti or any other Third World country ANYTHING! We have made it possible for foreign nationals to migrate here under sets of circumstances, for various reasons -- and we codify the requirements clearly so that there is no misunderstanding about who can come, when, and for what purpose. We could slam the door shut on ALL migration if we wanted to, and we probably should for a 'cooling-off' period of at least five years, but the important thing to remember is that (here comes 'Kamala' again), WE ARE A COUNTRY, and we have the right to expect that when foreigners arrive at our borders, they MUST respect our laws and requirements for entry... period.

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Please reread the part I highlighted in your post.
1) I never assumed that it is mandatory for a nation to receive migrants from another.
Other than to follow the design set out by the 1954/67 UN convention on Refugees, dealing with responsibilities around asylum, which the USA signed. Please take some time to read it. It sets out your responsibilities concerning those seeking asylum and it does not detail HOW that asylum seeker arrives into their target country. The ex Home Secretary in the UK tried to make arriving by boat illegal. Under international law, it is not illegal.
2) In terms of detail, countries can add their own conditions as to whether and how to assess migrants. For example some countries such as the UK and Australia add a points system. But the requirement to process asylum seekers is still valid for all those countries who signed that convention.
3) It is a fool's paradise to think people of a country have control over their government, economy, laws or living standards. When they live in police state or one run by a military "government", they either put up or die. They don't have elections, a public voice or choices. Or a future.
I do wonder that you have any concept of how other people live. THEY HAVE NO CHOICES. There is ONE government and NO possibility to change that. They are lucky to be able to afford to eat.

I will leave your internal political comments alone. Your snowball fights are not my concern.

 

Believe me, Pixie, I have seen and spent time in Third World countries -- and that's why I so strongly oppose seeing the United States turning into one, in any way, by anyone, at all!

I'll close with by giving you an example of a Third World country that started out as an sadly abused colony, and went on to have a very turbulent, violent history, caused by the brutal governance of dictators of all kinds, 'foreign and domestic'. Consider Nicaragua! Those poor people suffered enormously under the Spanish, and no sooner did they get rid of them but then we, the United States, started exerting direct power there, either with bought-and-paid-for Nicaraguan dictators, or our own military forces! There was nothing but misery, poverty, and lives that were little better than those of slaves for ordinary the Nicaraguan people. But -- then the people rose up through revolution, civil war, and the emergence of the Sandinista Party, led by Daniel Ortega! Where is there a Daniel Ortega in Haiti...?! There has to BE one for anything to change!

Now, it's true that Nicaragua is still a Third World country, but, it's a much better place for its citizens to live in peace, with their own law and order (more or less), and make a decent living. You won't find Citroën luxury cars in their garages, but at least they aren't walking in rags to the southern border of the United States to get welfare handouts from our Democrat Party big-wigs in Washington D. C. A people CAN take charge of their own destiny -- but they must do it for themselves and not go trooping all over the world looking for other countries to give them a "life" that they won't work to provide themselves!

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Nicaragua is still not somewhere one would feel free or have any future other than in the drugs industry. It has just closed diplomatic relations with the Netherlands and is not part of any economic alliance. Still poor and under a vastly manipulative Ortega ."government " with no elected Parliament.
No wonder the average inhabitant wants to leave.it is the second poorest nation in the Americas.
You would hate it.