Let's put this myth to rest once and for all: The Republican Party is NOT the "pro-life" party.

No. This discussion is about LIFE.
and you have done your best to make it about KILLING, or removal of life.

The term you use is "pro life".
Not "pro human life".

And please don't shrug me off with a cheap insult such as "inane" simply because what I write is inconvenient and/or you haven't really thought about the issue.

 

Conception is the joining of TWO cells. You are not "human" until they join.
There are such things as single cell life forms...amoebae for example. I assume you would protect their right to life too?

 

It is not "a baby". It is a fetus, in the same way all animals begin as fetuses.
It has no "personhood" until around the ninth week.

 

Yes two haploid cells which form a daploid cell, a human life. Yes an amoebae is life. Why do you make such a stupid assumption about amoebae life? Do you equate amoebae life to human life? Do you believe the debate about killing unborn babies is about amoeba life?

A fetus IS a baby they are not two different things, they are mutually INCLUSIVE, just two different terms for the same. There is NOTHING in science that says a human becomse a "person" in the ninth week. A person is a individual human being, at conception you are an individual human being, a person.


baby - American Heritage Dictionary Entry
https://www.ahdictionary.com › word › search › q=baby

1. a. A very young child; an infant. b. An unborn child; a fetus. c. · 2. An adult or young person who behaves in an infantile way. · 3. Informal. a. A lover ...


Baby - definition of baby by The Free Dictionary
https://www.thefreedictionary.com › baby

baby ; 1. a. a newborn or recently born child; infant. b. (as modifier): baby food. ; 2. (Anatomy) an unborn child; fetus ; 3. the youngest or smallest of a family ...

I don't think I have ever heard a pregnant mother refering to her unborn child as a "fetus" but as a baby. When she goes to the doctor the doctor doesn't say, well lets see how your little fetus is doing they say BABY.

Prenatal care is a very important step that moms should do to take good care of their unborn baby.
https://www.safebabymonitor.com/take-care-unborn-baby/

Right now, your OB or midwife is monitoring the health of your unborn baby.
https://www.womenshealth.gov/pregnancy/getting-ready-baby/health-care-baby/

What are the effects of drugs on an unborn child?
https://www.webmd.com/baby/qa/what-are-the-effects-of-drugs-on-an-unborn-child

 

Yes HUMAN life. Do you think this is a discussion about aborting aspharagus?

 

That doesn't answer my question. If a person supports ANY restrictions on human behaviour, does that make them not "pro choice"? No... it doesn't. So why demand that anybody who doesn't oppose all death to not be "pro life"?

 

No one is pushing for "just opening up the borders to everyone."

If Republicans are so keen on having "an orderly well regulated process" then why have they voted against every immigration reform bill for decades? It seems like they want to keep immigration as a contentious, dividing issue.

 

Republicans traditionally vote against funding those agencies.

 

I am not discussing babies.
I am discussing LIFE.
An amoeba is life because it reacts to its environment. A fetus does not until around the 9th week.
You have dodged my point.
If you protect LIFE you protect what is alive

Including tomato plants and amoeba.

All those hypocrites who go hunting or eat meat while preaching to protect LIFE aren't protecting LIFE. Just human life. Which is only a tiny part of life on earth.

I am not going to get into when human life starts. It gets tangled up in personhood which is very much still in debate.

 

And who do you think pays for that? Expanding coverage options and Medicaid for the poor is a lot less expensive than sending them to the local ER. The enormous costs of "free" ER visits are factored in to what we all pay for medical care, including doctor consults, lab tests, medicine, etc., not to mention our monthly insurance premiums. It affects everyone.

 

No. You are called "pro life"
Life is not just human.
Asparagus is also alive.
If you want to protect life, don't eat things that are alive.
If you mean human life, say so. Call yourselves pro human life. But do stop elevating your cause as if your life includes all other life.

 

Yes HUMAN life, in a discussion of ABORTION here we are talking HUMANS not onions. There is not need to stipulate human everytime.

Got it now? Stop with the inane arguments.

 

HUMAN life which at the stage we are discussing BABIES.

I cited to you the Embryology textbooks your inane statements do not refute them.

 

Put whatever name on it you want. The border is open to everyone.

 

We could start with basic stuff like raising the gun ownership age to 21, doing deeper dives in background checks, and various other small steps that would reduce mass shootings at schools, usually carried out by socially inept young men and underage teen boys. The reason we can't do even those small things is due to Republicans voting No on every single piece of legislation that dares to restrict gun ownership in any way.

 

Exactly right. A slug has the same reflexes, and we don't think anything of killing those ... they are not sentient beings, and neither is a fetus.

 

They understand, but calling themselves anti-choice, which is what they actually are, does not give them what they consider to be the moral high ground, nor does it promote the emotion-based attitudes of conservative voters on the issue of a woman's autonomy, which the pro life label does.

 

Bad analogy. Speeding is easy, even for an 18 year old. Acquiring an AR15 should be much more difficult.

 

False! People who support pro-life are not in favor, for example, of removing healthcare coverage for toddlers because they have a pre-existing condition.

You are not talking about "pro-life". You are talking about zealots who believe that women who have sex for any reason other than to procreate should be punished.

False! You keep insisting that you are not a Republican. But you have certainly gobbled down the Republican Kool Aid. There is absolutely NO difference between this and being a full-fledged partisan Republican regardless of who you vote for.

You have now admitted that one of the Republican Party's "signature" platform is intended to fool the gullible. And you roll back to the old Republican Mantra "yeah.. our party is louse, but so are Democrats". But you provide NO example. Nothing at the level that I did, which has convinced even you, an honest to goodness (even though you deny it) Republican.,

 

Humans don't develop cognition instantly. It happens as our brains slowly develop. Your earliest memory is at what age? Three? Four? Very few of us have a brain capable of holding a memory earlier than that, unless there were circumstances such as trauma of one sort or another. I have a memory of an event at age 18 months only because I had a fall from the top of a ladder slide at a playground.

A fetus is no more sentient than a common earth worm.

 

Dude, I'm not even from your backwards country. I'm a liberal from a country where our conservatives are to the left of your Democrats on most issues. I just see what you're doing, and you don't. You are too close to it.

No, I said it is meant to win votes, like all platform items are. "Fool the gullible" is your statement, not mine. I think pro-life folks, who for whatever reason see the unborn as "babies" and want to protect them (which I don't agree with), realize that Republicans made this part of their platform, and so they vote for them.

It isn't complicated. And it isn't nefarious either. You only see it that way because you are so motivated to do so, living in such a partisan country and pushing for the opposing party.

 

Not sure about that. But it is when they say "life begins at conception" and try to tell me that a freshly fertilized egg is my moral equal that I do a double take.

 

Yep, still another reason to control borders.

 

Whatever.

 

But it is NOT a person! It is the potential of a person, but not a person. Personhood is what you are arguing for, and since a fetus isn't independent of its host, nor has a brain, you argument is quite weak. Why not include sperm in your defense too? You want to lock men up for masturbating next?