Jane Elliott says white people know black people are in pain

Private racism is one person or business discriminating as opposed to government discrimination which is largely gone (except in cases reverse discrimination) and systemic racism where a person suffers the consequences of previous government discrimination. An example of systemic racism is tying government homeowner help to your ability to show clear title. Lots of blacks—and poor whites—just move into Uncle Fred's house after he passes and don't transfer title officially. Another huge impact is poor people, white and black, living in communities with lousy schools. Since black people are more likely to be poor, we have systemic racism.

We have white people who themselves treat everyone the same way seemingly unaware of systemic racism but very aware of reverse government discrimination. We also have blacks looking at reverse discrimination and seeing it as their due for systemic racism and past racism of all kinds.

My personal take is that we should base help to people based on need without regard to race or ethnicity. If you're suffering from systemic racism, you're need will be addressed because we help people who need help. LeBron James could help thee and me.

When we help people based on need we stop poisoning the well of goodwill that really does exist between people and races. Sure, haters exist, but even many of them are hating based on misinformation.

 

It might give some people pause, but the dynamics are still the same—a slave is still a slave. It doesn't matter who did the enslaving.

 

This doesn't really have much to do with...



Workers have gone more than forty years without even a 10% increase in real income.

I could show data from the pandemic years, but it would distort the long-term pattern...



P.S. Your extravagant use of "LMFAO" makes you look absurd.

 

LMFAO, the BLUE LINE certainly does hahahahhaahah

 

You're obviously out of your depth if you can't understand what the blue line means in conjunction with the red line.

I worked a grocery clerk in 1964 and made $3.05/hour. That would be...


https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

Grocery clerks don't make $29.25 today. They're worse off than the median.

Do you understand or is all this just playing games?

 

LOL, your blue line in your graph is the same information in my graph LMFAO

 

If it doesn't matter who did the enslaving, then why do you admit it might give some people pause? It obviously does matter. It shouldn't matter. Slavery is in the past. Yet we have an entire generation being told about how The White Man is responsible for slavery in the US. The White Man is responsible for all the inequity in the US today and can be traced back to their slavery of the black man.

If you're told over and over that your situation is due to one race, and one race only...how are you going to view that race? That should be a rhetorical question.

 

The blue line is only half the story. Workers could get more as the flat redline and sloping blue line suggests.

 

Emphasis added.

While your race may qualify as a "quality", it's not one that deserves respect, or a lack thereof, on its own. If I meet a person who has been awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor, that's automatic respect. Ditto for high-ranking military personnel. Or my boss, or my boss's boss, etc. But it is elicited by abilities, qualities (other than race itself), and/or achievements, none of which I'm necessarily going to be aware of as regards a total stranger. Respect is earned, not a given. Not to suggest that rudeness is appropriate, either, but anyone who wants my respect will have to earn it one way or another.

 

They lack historical knowledge. They might be racist, too.

The impact of slavery and Jim Crow are still with us, however. Schools in poor communities in this country are typically terrible, from the quality of teachers to the availability of learning resources.

The facts are available, but the truth is in short supply. We don't have "open borders," nor is every white person at least a closet racist or every black person non racist. We have the news media across the entire political spectrum ginning up conflict. Ferguson, Missouri is a case-in-point. Some dumbass thought plopping 500 poor people down in housing project in a suburban community was a bright idea (or someone owned the land and bought the pols). What do poor people do when the summer heat makes their little apartment too hot? They hang out on the street—and some get into trouble. They ended up with a several block protest. It never got bigger than that even when the news media, from Fox News to MSNBC played it up for days. Al Sharpton shows, loaded for bear. The only fallout was some rioting in St. Louis. You'd have thought Missouri was on the cusp of a race war.

People tune off the news is the announcer says all is well today. The media love George Floyd. They loved seeing entitled black people making a joke out of covid restrictions. They want everyone angry enough to keep watching.

 

LMFAO, one post ago you said it had nothing to do with it LOLOLOLOL

 

It didn't address what I wrote.

Do you really think anyone with a high school education is going to miss the point?

 

You're right! It addressed your inaccurate timeline graph

Better luck next time

 

Keep digging.

 

Hell, trying to fill the holes you've been digging, starting with that selective graph LMFAO

 

What 'effects of racism'? You mean brown skinned Tech CEO's? African surgeons? Chinese dentists? Indian lawyers? What are the effects, exactly? The fact that non-white Americans are richer and better educated than white Americans?

If a higher percentage of black Americans are 'disadvantaged', it has nothing to do with the colour of their skin. Not racism - obviously. In which case it's none of your concern. They're just making cultural decisions for themselves that you don't like.

 

1) Discriminating how? Give examples.

2) And that would be a personal CHOICE, not to transfer title according to the protocols. Nothing to do with 'discrimination'.

3) Schools are as good as their students. There are no 'bad' schools, there are only bad school communities. You know this to be true.

4) How can you tell if someone is suffering from systemic racism? Became CEO of that megatech firm by the age of 30 .. despite having dark brown skin?

5) Depends on how we define 'need'. If you lazily and disinterestedly apply only economic criteria, you will poison everything. This says you don't care about need at all, only appearances and expediency.

 

Lacking in historical knowledge, most definitely. Not going to assume they're racist though. Sure, its a possibility. But I'm not going to assume it.

 

Still digging? Hohhhhh-Kayyyyy...

 

Cab drivers passing up a black man. Turning down a black person for a job because they're black.

A lot more poor white people have the same problem. These folks are often dirt poor and establishing title on property that may have changed hands several times may be quite expensive.

There are bad schools run poorly by bad management and substandard teachers.

The solution is to help people based on need. Black people tend to suffer more problems, so it follows they'll end up getting more help.

I already pointed out they need better schools in poor communities. School districts can better manage resources. Do you need other examples to hold off on on your straw man and gratuitous condemnation?

 

Poor schools, lousy nutrition at home, lack of stimulation as a child because of parental poverty—stuff we worked on with parents to help the family. A good friend ran a battered women's shelter.

It has to do with a number of factors related to race. I don't find your opinion informed or at all compatible with over three decades of experience as a high school teacher.

Racism is involved contrary to your unsupported opinion.

It was my job for three decades.

They sometimes make self-destructive decisions they later regret.

 

Right. They may or may not be racist.

 

1) African migrants don't get turned down by cabs. Neither do South Indians. Can you explain how that dark skin thing works please?

2) And it would be their freely made CHOICE, to ignore the requirements for transition of title. As for the cost of that choice, not anyone's problem but their own. If it means enough to them, they'll pull together and find a way to get it done. Give up the booze/smokes/gambling/fast food or whatever for a few months.

3) Nope. No school has only bad teachers. And bad managers can't stop a child determined to succeed - as is proven every year when even the worst schools produce a valedictorian.

4) Unless you define 'need' according to its actual meaning, then it's no solution at all. And the only way to determine need is to look at the behaviour of the individual. Have they lived in a way which suggests they were not in need? Any bad habits indulged? Any living beyond their means? Anything which suggests they weren't doing all in their power to live as frugally as possible? If the answer is yes, then they've demonstrated a LACK of need. Were they actually in need, they would have been doing all in their power to live frugally - obviously.

5) Your schools (outcomes) won't improve until the quality of the students and parents in the school community improve. You will take offence at that, I'm sure. But think about why you're offended though. Is it because you associate quality with race?

 

1) Leaving schools out of it, the other stuff is utter bunkum. I once worked with brown refugees who came from FAR worse circumstances than even your poorest African Americans. The parents among them did everything in their power to ensure their kids ate nutritious food (fresh fruit/vegetables/rice/fish/etc .. all cheap when purchased in season and via the right sources), sacrificed every spare minute they had - even their own sleep - to ensure their kids took advantage of the free education available. They worked cleaning and factory jobs, but never allowed themselves a minute of 'leisure' once they were home. It was ALL about the children being lifted out of poverty. They were ultra-responsible, very self-disciplined, and very very determined. No past trauma or present racism was going to stop them making the most of the endless opportunities in the West. I tell this story often, because it NEEDS to be repeated every time someone tries to claim oppression/racism is the reason some Americans 'fail'.

2) It has nothing to do with race. It's entirely cultural.

3) "Buyer's Remorse" is a result of impulsivity. Impulsivity is a character flaw, learned in childhood. Nothing whatsoever to do with race.

 

Be careful. If you prioritize helping the needy first, they will always be needy. They will have no reason to complete school, get skills or look for a better job. As long as they remain needy they will get the goodies. That's incentive to REMAIN NEEDY.