Elon Musk proposals to end the war in Ukraine

On 3 of October Elon Musk made the following proposals to end the war in Ukraine:

"- Redo elections of annexed regions under UN supervision. Russia leaves if that is will of the people.
- Crimea formally part of Russia, as it has been since 1783 (until Khrushchev’s mistake).
- Water supply to Crimea assured.
- Ukraine remains neutral."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/03/world/europe/elon-musk-ukraine-war-tweets.html

For me these proposals seem to be quite reasonable. What do you think about it?

 

Putin wants to re-establish the Ukraine as part of Russia. Reasonableness is not the driving force. Putin's ambitions are driving this train.

 

Elon needs to shut up and build rockets.

 

I think Musk is losing it the way Howard Hughes did.

Why should Russia be given anything?

 

Why should he? He is a smart person and one of the most richest people in the world. He has every reason to comment on anything what happens in the world.

 

No way russia goes for the new vote.
No way Zelenski gives up Crimea (nor should he)
Total nonstarter.

Typical musk bullshit.

 

Everyone has a reason to comment on anything.

Lebron James has just as much expertise on this topic as Elon.

 

Knowing a bit about engineering doesn't make him an international policy expert. I agree, he needs to sit down and shut up before he embarasses himself again.

 

This is a hard one. For me, it smacks of Neville Chamberlain, and history showed us how wrong that decision was. However, things are different these days, and perhaps this is an equitable solution. The obvious question going forward is given this precedent, does Putin get to claim all the other little "stans" and baltic countries because of the same mix of Russian nationals who chose to stay in those nations? Does this become the stepping stone to the reformation of the old Soviet?

I suppose that if the Russian president could be assuaged in this manner, and it didn't lead to further capitulations from other sovereign states, then sure. I doubt the Biden would agree to this though. Biden does seem really interested in continuing and prolonging this conflict. One has to wonder what the Ukrainians really have on the president and his family at this point. And that brings up the actual point. Perhaps Biden has to be removed from office to allow this conflict to end.

 

Сhief engineer in Space X is a person that knows a bit about engineering? Ja, ja, sure. He can not embarrass himself as he is free from all this BS that have all the so called political experts. In this case all these political experts should shut up and listen what a wise man says.

 

SpaceX engineering is spear headed by a guy named Tom Mueller. As the owner, Musk can call himself anything he wants, but he not an engineer. He has Bachelor of Arts degree from Penn State and Economics degree from Wharton.

 

Smart and wise are not the same.

I can't imagine that anyone would say Elon is a wise man.

 

I saw that on twitter... I thought it was a damn fine idea!

 

..or...how about Turkey or China? In that vein (and thinking rhetorically) should Turkey or China feel they want to claim chunks of these territories based on national groupings would the same precedent apply? I doubt that Putin's would agree to that! For example China seems very happy to publicly extol the virtue of national boundaries being sacrosanct whilst remaining silent on Putin's land grab. Appeasement of a dictators desires is no basis for a "world" order; what's to stop me simply going into my neighbours house and kicking him out on the basis that I want his house because I think its mine? Theft is theft.

Whose to say it wouldn't, he did the same thing back in 2014 and got away with it. The only reason he's taken on Ukraine is that he though he'd get away with it again based on the hold over Europe with energy threats etc. Advocating that Ukraine should bow to Putin's aggression and concede is based on a false understanding of the intentions he had right from the start, which was supposed to be a lighting strike, depose the government and install a surrogate therefore a fait accompli followed by some lukewarm backlash from the rest of the world: exactly the same formula as 2014. So for someone to suggest that all one does is create some false narrative that implies one has priority rights or remedies to a given situation and takes unilateral (military) action to support that false narrative is....well...staggeringly naive! I'm sure I could invent a reason why I should own SpaceX.

Anyway I'm pretty sure it's more than Biden who wouldn't agree to this line of thought.

 

Agreed. But the observation was that Biden certainly does have a demonstrable line of behavior that does seem to want this war to progress and continue.

 

agree, and get out of the cloud based car business, when I heard they were locking batteries to prevent their full potential unless you paid a fee, that was crazy... greed

 

Points 1 and 3 are entirely reasonable. Point 2 legitimizes Russia's imperialism and point 4 gives Russia the leverage it needs to do it all over again. I'd support a plan that involved points 1-3, with 2 being a regrettable bargaining chip, but 4 is crazy at this point.

 

They're not reasonable at all....anything agreed upon or signed by the Mafiosi means absolutely f@ck all....you know this yourself...viska.

 

Sure everyone has their own take on this. I would think though that the intent maybe the mitigation of future risk against other countries targeted in such a manner. You say "[Biden] does seem to want this war to progress and continue" presumably you mean to a conclusion whereby Ukraine achieves the equalisation of the pre-February 2022 boundaries or perhaps the pre-2014? Or do you think there is the intention to widen the scope of conflict for some other goal or reason?

My view is that the US is not acting alone here, there are many countries supplying support both financial and military so Biden is not acting in a vacuum. I imagine all associated and affiliated stakeholders are communicating and determining what and would be a viable outcome to the conflict. So I don't think that Biden is doing anything at this time that the UK or France or Germany etc are not in agreement with. So far the Ukrainians are only fighting within their own boundaries and have not gone into Russia - as indeed they could have since they have pushed Russian forces back to their northern border. So nothing (so far) leads me to believe that what Biden or any other ally is doing is anything other than assisting in the repulse against an aggressive invasion.

 

Well it started off with a sensible post but then went down the road of your Biden obsession. Can I have that 30 seconds of my life back?

 

And that's the problem. I think there's a case for referendum in Crimea, but give Putin an inch and he'll take the rest.

 

Exactly....neutrality here is DONE....

There won't be any UN presence in occupied territory as long as "occupiers" are present.

NS1&2 were destroyed by Mafiosi...so as to try and destroy EU,NATO.

Mafiosi military needs to be 80% destroyed.

Marco Rubio now claiming there's a strong possibility that the Mafiosi may target Poland with missile strikes?

Dwarfstan needs to keep escalating ...or he's done.

List goes on.

 

Hmm, this pretty much sums it up . . .
https://youtube.com/shorts/i8UwPxbG5uo?feature=share

 

Yep...Chariton Starsky...nails it.

 

He might just be trying to prevent Global Thermonuclear War