61% of Republicans still believe Biden didn’t win fair and square in 2020

Biden won because more people than ever before voted. More people than ever before voted because ballots were mailed to every nook and cranny in the nation. And everyone in the nation was inundated 24/7 with anti Trump propaganda by the liberal media. So come election time they voted as they were conditioned to vote for Biden. Ironically, even though Trump lost, he got millions more votes than any previous victor. So the brainwashing didn't work with those voters who were actually informed about the great achievements of the Trump administration for our nation. So yes, Biden won because the media became a player, cheated, and gave it to him. We don't have a free press anymore.

 

Would that be when Hillary claimed the election was rigged and went on a book tour for 2 years claiming he was an illegitimate president.?
Or the entire Democrat party hosting a 3 year fake investigation claiming Russia was working with Trump to rig the election?
Or Donna Brazile claiming the 2016 primary was rigged

Theres so many to choose from. You will have to be more specific

 

If the media wasn't reporting it, how would you know about it. lol

 

Trump was planting seeds? lol
Was Hillary planting seeds when she claimed the election was rigged and went on a book tour for 2 years claiming he was an illegitimate president.?
Was the entire Democrat party planting seeds claiming Russia and Trump rigged the election?
Was Donna Brazile planting seeds claiming the 2016 primary was rigged?

Planting seeds? Please

 

None. But the judges making this decision, many of whom were Trump appointees, were ALL members of the Deep State and part of the Great Conspiracy.

 

While that may be correct -- it is not why the two are not comparable. You can't compare Biden vs Trump is what is meant .. obviously you can compare the two economies -- but you can't say that Biden was better than Trump or vice versa on this basis of comparing the economies due to the impact of the Pandemic.

 

For God's sake, stop with the whataboutism. I already told you that both parties do it. What do you think you're gaining by bringing up the Democrats other than making my point for me?

The only real difference here is that Donald Trump took it farther than anyone else has before. He didn't seem to understand that those claims are for show, or he needed to take it to the extreme to help soothe his bruised ego. Who knows exactly why he did what he did(though the fund raising he's done off of it sure adds another perk), we just know he did it. And now, with the precedent he's set, you can expect it to keep happening at the level he's upped it to unless something is done about it.

 

Remember the Trump Administration didn't demand the Trump DOJ be in lockstep with the Trump presidency. Hint: That's what freedom of speech means.

 

As of April 2022:
"But if you believe that Hillary Clinton was the legitimate winner of the 2016 election, that just makes you a Democrat....
according to a new Rasmussen Reports survey, 72% of Democrats still believe that Russia “succeeded” in altering the outcome of the 2016 election, putting Donald Trump in the White House."

https://www.johnlocke.org/many-democrats-still-believe-hillary-clinton-won-in-2016/

 

Overall, 57 percent of voters believed that 2020 was a fair election, while 34 percent said Biden won through fraud. Democrats agreed it was fair by an 87 percent to 12 percent margin. So did a majority of independents, 55 percent to 28 percent. But 61 percent of Republicans blamed fraud for Biden’s win, while 28 percent said he won fairly.

When we asked about 2016, 51 percent of voters overall said Trump won fairly, while 33 percent blamed Russian interference. Very similar to the 2020 results. Republicans believed 2016 was a fair election, 82 percent to 10 percent. Independents were closer to Republicans, calling it fair by a 52 percent to 24 percent margin. But 62 percent of Democrats opted for the Russia explanation for Hillary Clinton’s loss, while 21 percent said Trump won fairly.

So it comes down to this. Sixty-two percent of Democrats don’t believe the results of the 2016 election, and 61 percent of Republicans don’t believe the outcome of the 2020 election. A statistical dead heat.

https://rollcall.com/2021/02/24/partisan-voters-claim-we-wuz-robbed-no-they-werent/

 

If you want to wear those blinders to claim Trump set the precedent on claiming a rigged election, help yourself. lol

 

Yes, all that AND the machines were rigged, the courts were rigged and the entire voting system was rigged. In short, it was another INSIDE JOB

 

Trump had a better economy during the pandemic, than Biden does after the pandemic...lol

 

Do you believe Trump won fair and square in 2016?

 

Cheated? Explain that?
We have a free press, they can write most anything they want.
The press is in the business of selling advertising. That is how they make money.

 

I don't know, it's your claim. Offer your proof.
Why do you need to ask me about your claim?

 

In other words, you're just like all the others with making false claims of a 2020 stolen election.
I appreciate the honesty.

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Barr, during an interview with The Associated Press Tuesday, said that U.S. attorneys and FBI officials have been working to follow up on specific complaints and information they have received, but have not uncovered enough evidence that would change the outcome of the election.
Barr: DOJ yet to find widespread voter fraud that could have changed 2020 election | Fox News

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As you can see, trump's DoJ did address issues of fraud, but found nothing on a scale to over turn the election.

Freedom of speech.

 

So you need proof of Hilary's book tour, the Russia investigation, and Donna Braziles claims?
Yet here you are on a political website?
Sounds like you should go educate yourself on the largest media coverage stories for over 3 years before posting anything else.

 

No. I need proof of your claim. Your claim wasn't that Hillary had a book tour.

If you can't provide proof, I understand. It's not like this will be the 1st or last time.

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My point is, the left has determined all election fraud is now the big lie, when just an election cycle ago, its all they claimed.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/61-of-republicans-still-believe-biden-didn’t-win-fair-and-square-in-2020.604319/page-3#post-1073764128

The above sentence is your actual claim.
Nothing at all to do with Hillary's book tour.

 

Nice work.

 

all candidates are part of the democratic system, only some are part of the DEMOCRAT party. The correct term would be Democrat cheating or cheating by Democrats; not democratic cheating.

 

There is no such thing, as a "Democrat" Party. Your ignorance, if you are not simply being an ass, is dumbfounding. FYI, it is called the "Democratic," Party. Look it up-- please! The members of that Party, are known as Democrats. There is no compulsion for other parties to follow the same exact model as the Republican Party/Republicans. As there are a couple of centuries of tradition, behind the name of the Democratic Party, it is long passed time, for you to get up to speed.

One who uses language as he thinks it should be, as opposed to how it actually exists, btw, is frequently known as an illiterate.

 

Who cares what Republicans think? They’re not going to vote Democratic regardless whether they believe Biden won legitimately or not. The important group is independents, swing voters who believe Biden won fair and square 67-33. It’s independents that usually decide elections. Trump isn’t liked by independents, 58% of independents view Trump negatively or unfavorably. History has shown folks usually won’t vote for someone they dislike. If by the odd chance, Trump runs again, he’ll lose. The GOP is still the smaller of the two major parties, they must win the independent vote or lose the election. It’s all quite simple.

 

Trump lost in 2020 because independents didn’t like him. Independents voted for Biden by a 54-41 margin. Independents didn’t like Trump as a person, an individual, a man nor as a candidate for the presidency. They didn’t like his childish antics like name calling and throwing of temper tantrums or his 3rd grade schoolyard bullying tactics. They didn’t like Trump’s very unpresidential behavior which a majority of independents thought was way below the dignity of the office of the presidency. They didn’t like the way Trump took revenge on others who disagreed with him. Trump is a very easy man to dislike.


Yes, Biden didn’t campaign, he stayed in his basement. Smart campaign strategy. He let Trump hog the spotlight, the limelight, be the headline star on the news. He let Trump be Trump reminding independents everyday why they disliked him. 2020 wasn’t an election about issues, it was one of personalities. Obnoxious, uncouth, rude vs. bland, old, uninspiring, lacking enthusiasm, basically devoid of any personality. But Biden behaved like an adult and like independents thought a presidential candidate should vs. one who acted and behaved like a spoiled 4-year-old brat. The rest is history as they say.


I think one needs to realize when it comes to a lot of independents, they’re not political junkies or politically attuned. To them elections are like a beauty contest, a popularity contest, one which independent’s ask whether they like this candidate or dislike him. Trump came across big time in the dislike column. Trump lost based on his distasteful personality, Biden won because he behaved like an adult and how independents viewed a presidential candidate should. It’s really that simple.

 

Most of Trump's economy was not during the pandemic..