The Gov won't save our nation? The Gov is going to bail out FLorida

It is socialism when money people in Montana have made and paid taxes is given to people in Fl for living in hurricane prone areas.

If Fl was going to go it alone with their own money, it wouldn't be socialism. Or is those in Fl would use their insurance to pay the bills form damage, it wouldn't be socialism.
But when the fed gov't comes in and gives fed money to a local community, that is socialism.
And every RW gov in the country welcomes said socialism.

Except of course, when they're pandering for votes from the so called small gov't self dependent folks. LOL, who also welcome socialism when they are in bad shape.
They are what can be called hypocrites.

Case in point. Both R Senators from Fl voted against the FEMA relief money voted on in congress.
Then turn around and ask that same gov't for the money.

...
But Florida's senators, Rubio and Rick Scott, didn't vote in favor of a stopgap spending bill on Thursday that included an additional $18.8 billion allocated to FEMA spending for Hurricane Ian and other natural disasters, HuffPost reported. The bill passed, without the help of 25 Republican 'No' votes.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/span-one-week-marco-rubio-024413144.html

 

Well, then tell that to Republicans, who've been hurling the socialism moniker at Democrats as far back as FDR.

So, a little word about the subject from Truman....."Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people".

And 'their' means REPUBLICANS.




And if that didn't work, then Republcans will claim Dems are trying to 'buy votes'.

In short, when it comes to Republicans, we can't win.

but, they can do a lot.........................of nothing, which is what they do very well.

 

My point stands. This thread shows people don't know what socialism is.

Your post further proves my point.

You think the government collecting taxes and spending those taxes is socialism. Sorry, it isn't.

In the context we're discussing, socialism is much more than that. Therefore, that alone is not, in any way, socialism. Someone mentioned earlier that the wikipidia entry on socialism would be 150 pages printed....so....slightly more than what you're suggesting.

Do not confuse a single incident as socialism. That's a very shallow way of thinking.

 

1971 changes things How it was established was another matter. It is now run as a private business and is not funded by taxpayer money, that's the argument here

 

Laughable nonsense. It is almost always profitable to help in this case the entity that will benefit from helping is the government itself, all four levels, there are no taxes to be had from damaged and abandoned buildingings and a population left destitute and homeless.

As for the power grid sorry the only thing the feds do there is get in the way The power companies under stand this as well which is why they've had thousands of workers prepositioned in Florida at their expense for days before the storm hit so they could restore the power to affected areas ASAP. They start to work as soon as the wind drops below 35. Why do these independently own power companies do this? Because no one pays for electricity that doesn't pass through a meter. And the sooner power is restored the sooner people start paying their electrical bills again. Why do other electric companies help out? Because they know they'll have the same sort of problem and it is way cheaper to have the reserve manpower cost spread out among several companies than to have each one fund sufficient back up for it's needs.

 

No it isn't! That the poster thought the USPS was a private company is the argument. And clearly, so did you. NOTHING can change the fact that it's a government agency short of a constitutional Amendment.

This is why my sig recommends that you do research. But you should do it BEFORE posting. Clearly you did your research AFTER, and that's when you found out that it IS a government agency. But that won't work. And it shows because you are now looking for the tail to wag the dog

 

LMAO, another Golem moment As for links, well I provided several, more than enough for you to even parse it out lolol So does the SSI and Medicare receive taxpayer money

 

I agree, people don't know what socialism is.
I am not sure you understand either. What is your definition of socialism?

I called it socialism when one state has to pay for residents of another state. In other words, people's taxes are paying for helping people all over the country. To me that is socialism.
Again, what does it mean to you?

Without defined words, people can not have a legit discussion.

 

The United States Postal Service (USPS), also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, is an independent agency of the executive branch of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the U.S., including its insular areas and associated states. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the U.S. Constitution. The USPS, as of 2021, has 516,636 career employees and 136,531 non-career employees.[6]
United States Postal Service - Wikipedia


...
It seems clear many don't know who owns the USPS and ultimately responsible for how it's operated.
Just because it's not receiving fed $$$ at this time makes some confused.

 

No. It's not as simple as not believing in his policies. It's that he doesn't HAVE any policies. His only policy is blind xenophobia. But even that is not exactly a policy but just his means of getting elected.

He didn't do any of those things. He just repeats what his followers want to hear. With absolutely NO plan or intention to carry it out. What hard line on China are you talking about? He was very cozy with China while Ivanka was building a business there. Until he tried to blame them for HIS failed response to Covid. NOTHING you have mentioned are policies. They are political shows. He KNEW that he would never build a wall with Mexico. And he KNEW that it would serve no purpose even if he could. He KNEW it was illegal to impede foreigners from claiming refugee status, so he tried to "punish" them with his menstruous policy of separating children from their family.

You're talking about demagoguery. Not policies.

You're not understanding what I'm saying. HE didn't have anything to agree WITH. No policies. Just speeches in which he repeated what they wanted to hear with NO actual realistic plans of carrying them out. All he did was spend taxpayer money in giving the APPEARANCE (for example, of building a wall) of doing something they agreed with when he was actually just in a four-year political campaign to get himself re-elected. And which failed, so he tried to perpetuate himself in power using violence. There was nothing to agree with HIM on.

It's easy to just stand there and talk about how he is going STOP illegal immigration, knowing that to do that, you would have to break the law. But the Republican Party has the only audience that would BELIEVE him.

 

In reality, it's a semi-autonomous organization, but ultimately, it's BOG are appointed by the president. Most of the properties the USPS uses are leased from a publicly owned RE firm. However, because the enterprise known as the USPS, itself, is not shareholder owned, (AFAIK) we can't claim it's a 'private or publicly owned business'.

Title 39:

"The United States Postal Service shall be operated as a basic and fundamental service provided to the people by the Government of the United States, authorized by the Constitution, created by Act of Congress, and supported by the people."

The US Government.

The USPS is governed by some 200 laws specifically for the USPS

The board members are appointed by the President.

The USPS is established by the Constitution and nothing can alter that fact.

That the government run an enterprise which earns it's own keep doesn't change the fact that it's a government run business.

The law in 1970 give it a corporate-esque Board of Governors, but they are still appointed by the President, which keeps it a government run enterprise.

but, the subject is more robust than you are representing it, more information here:

https://www.savethepostoffice.com/who-owns-postal-service

 

What the hell are you talking about? What project?

 

LOL, failure to read I said numerous times now, it has operated as a private business, and receives no taxpayer funding. Blinded by hatred is no way to communicate

 

So you actually believe he accomplished nothing at all? Is this how most Democrats see things? So the only thing that would account for so many people voting for him is they must be under some sort of spell?

Wow, that's pretty amazing. What do you think about Biden?

 

WOW, you certainly expect A LOT from a president that had very little time before a pandemic took top priority worldwide! So given what little time Trump was ABLE to work on any other agenda other than a pandemic, how do you feel this current master mind has done?

Personally, I see nothing from ByDummy, the only thing he is accomplishing is the same old DNC master work of masking a total shitshow, selling off oil reserves to dampen the crushing economy.

Most Americans Now Say They Are Feeling the Effects of Inflation | Watch (msn.com)

And please don't run that tired ass DNC nonsense that the last guy was to blame! Try telling us what your President and party is doing to correct this problem

 

Hypocrasy breeds anger.

 

Bingo!!!!!

The ONLY significant piece of legislation was tax breaks for the rich. Very likely the only one he was actually personally interested in.

If you mean reality... I hope so. I can't speak for "Democrats", I only speak for myself. But anybody who follows reality would probably agree on this regardless of what political party they feel affiliated with.

Think about Biden in respect to what? He wasn't my favorite candidate. He wasn't in the top 10 of my favorite Democratic candidates.

 

In the context we're discussing, when people are saying 'socialism' they are referring to the way the country operates. If socialism was simply collecting taxes and then spending them, then pretty much every single country that has ever existed would be engaged in 'socialism'.

I do not equate the existence of a social service with socialism. They are not the same thing.

Most basic definitions of socialism mention in some way that the public owns the means of production as opposed to private ownership. This thread has nothing to do with that and yet it's claimed in the original post.

 

You appear to be under the impression that Trump "worked" on the pandemic. Other than feed his followers lies about miracle cures and how Covid was actually Obama's fault, and disparaging and standing in the way of those who actually WERE working to fix the problem .... he did NOTHING.

Trump worked on NO agenda whatsoever. He sought tax cuts for his billionaire buddies, which he achieved, and he went through the motions of building an idiotic wall to please his most gullible followers. And.... that's it! No achievements. No legacy whatsoever other than the blueprints of how to carry out an insurrection, if democrats and authorities fail to shut down the means.

In comparison to Trump? You actually want to compare him to Trump? If we were to compare him to a REAL President like Obama, I would have said that so far he has fallen waaaay short of what we should expect from a Democratic President. But if you want to compare him to Trump, he starts looking more and more like the reincarnation of George Washington by comparison.

 

Your avoidance and spin makes me sad Did you look and look and couldn't find anything your President has done to fix anything..

Wow, how the mighty have fallen

 

Their whole world revolves around trump. As you just saw, most don't even attempt to defend biden.

I would love for trump, at the right time, to declare that he's not running in 2024. It would crush the democrat agenda as their entire agenda is 'bash trump'. They'd have nothing to talk about or run on if trump decides not to run.

 

No?
Where do you think the funds come from?
That's right. The taxpayer.
Then they are redistributed to finance the common good.
That is socialism.
And your America is shot through with examples.
You just aren't told about it in schools.

 

I weep along with Jesus, so tragic

 

That is a bit of a stretch Clearly you are not fluent in "OUR AMERICA" Lmfao

 

No.
Socialism is where those who work own the means of production and redistribute it among themselves.
On a wider scale, those who work and pay taxes into a system get to benefit when they need it. It is not described as socialism but simply as state ownership.

"State ownership was recognized by Friedrich Engels in Socialism: Utopian and Scientific as, by itself, not doing away with capitalism, including the process of capital accumulation and structure of wage labor. Engels argued that state ownership of commercial industry would represent the final stage of capitalism, consisting of ownership and management of large-scale production and manufacture by the state.[7]"
WIKI