Florida senators ask for more federal relief funds

It's already been debunked. When government buildings and vehicles get damaged, do you think tthr government should just leave it as is? The NOAA funding is so they can repair observatories, assist either marine debri removal, geodesy to determine shoreline damage, mapping, charting and modeling.

 

By who. YOU

 

So what's the reason shorelines and government buildings and vehicles should remain damaged?

 

Thats what you call debunking the money allocated in that bill?
You haven't debunked anything. You're just reaching for excuses because you can't debunk it.

 

Do you think the items I listed are considered pork? Please state your reasons.

 

Fact's. I understand why you can't admit it, but that's what they are.

 

Not going to fall for your deflection.
You haven't shown anything that debunks the monies allocated in that bill.
All you have done is run from your own claim.
When you can show how you debunked the money allocated in that bill. let me know.

 

The claim is that money allocated is pork. I debunked it because pork refers to outside projects not related to Sandy. Explain why government buildings and shorelines should remain dilapidated after beung damaged by Sandy.

 

Oh, you debunked it?
Then you should have no problem explaining how these provisions in the bill were related to Sandy relief.
I'll wait for your debunking information list

16,000,000,000 dollars for Community Development Block Grants (11 billion higher than HUD was requesting at the time)
600,000,000 for State and Tribal Assistance Grants under the EPA
348,000,000 for “construction” for the National Park Service
100,000,000 for Head Start
50,000,000 for the Historic Preservation Fund at the NPS
45,000,000 for upgrades to NOAA aircraft
22,000,000 for upgrading NOAA weather equipment
50,000,000 for “construction” for Fish and Wildlife Services
24,000,000 for the Defense Working Capital Fund
10,000,000 to Small Business Administration to plus up grants to organizations seeking to participate in disaster relief
4,400,000 for “capital improvement” to the Forestry Service
3,000,000 for oil spill research
2,000,000 for the Smithsonian’s famously leaky roofs.
1,000,000 for new cars for the DEA.
1,000,000 to the Legal Services Corporation.

 

Well, if you keep saying things like red states are welfare states, I would encourage you to pick one of those states and sort by county and tell me if the welfare counties are red or blue.

 

Well, the Biden-voting counties account for 70% of US GDP. There is that! Where do you think the taxes created by those counties go to?

 

What's wrong with helping communities rebuild after a disaster?

They should have clean drinking water, right? The storm damaged water treatment facilities
Hurricane Sandy leaves New Jersey with $2.6B tab for water infrastructure

renovating, repairing, or rebuilding damaged facilities; costs of
supportive and mental health services for affected children and families; and costs of technical
assistance for affected Head Start centers.
https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R42869.pdf

It's chump change when you consider a republican president, house and senate gave $650 million in disaster relief to headstart

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11008

Repaired the Sandy Hook Multi-Use Path. Repaired and reopened Miller Field in Staten Island, Repaired and reopened Nichols Marina in Staten Island, Repaired Canarsie Pier in Brooklyn, Restored safe access to seashore facilities by completing construction of a 350-foot dock destroyed during the storm; dredging 50,000 cubic yards of material from two marinas and marina channels; and, elevating a barrier island entrance road by one foot, Completed the restoration of a 45-slip marina, rebuilding the 1,100 square foot structure with materials better equipped for the marine environment and upgrading 24 electric service pedestals. Installed two elevated and portable hazmat storage buildings to replace those damaged during the storm. Replaced HVAC, heating fuel, and interior electrical systems in mainland facilities damaged during the storm, Completed the $40M mechanical, electrical and plumbing repairs, which included a new emergency generator. Buildings on Ellis Island are now running on permanent HVAC and electrical systems, all relocated above the flood zone.
https://www.doi.gov/hurricanesandy/four-years-after-sandy-updates-national-park-service-nps

Mapping, charting, geodesy, replacing ocean observatories, repairing coastal monitoring assets damaged from the storm, equipment upgrades for mitigation efforts
https://www.congress.gov/113/plaws/publ2/PLAW-113publ2.pdf

• Extracted more than 3,500 tons of hurricane debris from coastal marshes, beaches and forested areas;
• Restored five badly eroded beaches on Delaware Bay in New Jersey, critical to horseshoe crabs and imperiled migratory bird species;
• Completed solar and back-up power installations at seven national wildlife refuges;
• Repaired buildings, roads, trails, fences, boardwalks and visitor/educational facilities at more than 20 national wildlife refuges;
• Removed six dams, including Centreville Dam in Maryland, White Rock Dam in Rhode Island, Pond Lily and Hyde Pond Dams in Connecticut, Whittenton Dam in Massachusetts and Hughesville Dam in New Jersey;
• Treated more than 4,000 acres of invasive species along wetlands, rivers and marshes;
• Installed more than 30,000 feet of living shoreline – a technique which uses natural elements to prevent shoreline erosion – at five sites in Maryland, Virginia and New Jersey;
• Planted thousands of native plant plugs and seeds to restore wetlands and marshes;
• Fixed four breaches, restored 9,000 feet of shoreline, planted 500,000 plugs of beach grass, seeded 1,000 acres of marsh seeded, and dredged 25 miles of channels at Prime Hook National Wildlife Refuge – one of the largest coastal restoration projects on the East Coast.

https://www.doi.gov/hurricanesandy/four-years-after-sandy-updates-us-fish-and-wildlife-service-usfws
24,000,000 for the Defense Working Capital Fund
10,000,000 to Small Business Administration to plus up grants to organizations seeking to participate in disaster relief
4,400,000 for “capital improvement” to the Forestry Service
3,000,000 for oil spill research

“Any water damage is dangerous to the collections,” she explained. “One example, the Hazy Center of the National Air and Space Museum (near Dulles airport) houses the Discovery shuttle. That building had 27 separate roof leaks that were directly attributable to Hurricane Sandy.”

And that $2 million is being used to repair no less than the following: The Museum of Natural History, the Museum of American History, the Air and Space Museum, several buildings at the National Zoo, and the Museum Support Center in Maryland, which the organization has already “temporarily patched.”

https://newrepublic.com/article/111936/sandy-aid-bill-smithsonian-2-million-not-pork

1,000,000 for new cars for the DEA.
1,000,000 to the Legal Services Corporation.[/QUOTE]

 

No.... everything I had listed didn't fall under disaster relief.

And $150,000,000 went to alaskan fisheries....I'm sure you can tie that in somehow.

https://www.heritage.org/budget-and...ef-bill-starting-the-new-year-bloated-deficit

https://www.freedomworks.org/hurricane-sandy-relief-bill-all-pork-little-relief/

There was plenty written on this bill and all the spending that had nothing to do with disaster relief from hurricane sandy.

Bottom line, democrats threw in a bunch of bullshit and you can spin all you want, it won't change the facts.

 

How is this bill different than what republicans passed in 2017? This was the 3rd! supplemental disaster relief bill.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4667/text

Natural Resources Conservation Service - $541,000,000
RURAL DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS - $18,672,000
National Oceanic And Atmospheric Administration - $120,904,000
United States Marshals Service - $2,500,000
Federal Bureau Of Investigation - $21,200,000
Drug Enforcement Administration - $11,500,000
Federal Prison System - $16,000,000
National Aeronautics And Space Administration - $81,300,000
National Science Foundation Research and Related Activities - $16,300,000
Legal Services Corporation - $1,000,000
operation and maintenance, army - $20,110,000
operation and maintenance, navy - $267,796,000
operation and maintenance, marine corps - $17,920,000
U.s. Immigration And Customs Enforcement - $30,905,000
defense working capital funds - $9,486,000
mississippi river and tributaries - $370,000,000

All passed by a republican house, senate and president.

Pork, pork, pork!!!

 

What are republicans doing? Don't they know disaster aid needs to be spent in the first few years? Explain to me why I am seeing allocations a decade from when the hurricane happened?

 

I love it!

Red states are the best, actually they suck really bad — it’s really the individual cities and counties that suck and no one can blame the Republicans!

It’s impossible to take any credit? Isn’t it?

 

Do you think the opposition is stupid or something?

You guys ability to critically decipher statistics would leave a high school stats teacher shaking their head.

Here, let me help you:

https://www.caliper.com/featured-ma...tal GDP,include several much smaller counties.

 

And here I thought that "big government" was "bad".

 

It's really not that difficult to figure out.

Blue states are awful places to live when statistics are considered.

Blue cities are awful places to live regardless of which state they are in for the same reason.

You want one simple Stat to prove that point. Look at interstate migration. Blue states and blue cities losing population. Red states and red cities gaining.

Instead of the liberals admiting their policies suck and they can't create the utopia they desire, they move to red areas and try try again.

 

Which would you like to discuss? Gun violence? Childhood mortality? Life expectancy? Income? Quality of life

Let’s move from opinion to sources: here’s mine
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/quality-of-life-by-state

How do all of the states on the bottom vote?

Asheville NC is very very blue and ranked very very high. So are virtually all moderately sized blue cities. If you mean large cities then you would be correct they are blue — but that’s because there are zero very large Republican cities. Strange that

You should look at the net worth of those changing states. Poor people are fleeing to areas they can afford and wealthy people are fleeing poor states. I guess you can call that a “win” if you ignore all nuance.

 

Minnesota
Minnesota ranks second best quality of life in the United States. Residents enjoy the fourth longest life expectancy in the nation, with an average of 80.9 years. The state also has one of the lowest levels of poverty in the nation, with 91% of residents living above the poverty level. Food security and employment levels are also high, as are K-12 performance metrics. WalletHub ranks Minnesota the fourth-best state to raise a family, due in part to high median family income and low levels of separation and divorce in the state. Crime rates are low, the air is clean, and the population is healthy.

Hmmm.

 

Did you not read your own source? Plus who says the criteria they find important everybody does? Why isn't wealth disparity there? Homelessness? Etc.

In any case, you aren't really making your case here:


Quality of Life by State 2022

Washington 1 8 4 4
Minnesota 2 16 17 15
Utah 3 11 10 1
New Hampshire 4 13 13 11
Idaho 5 24 29 3
Nebraska 6 28 9 20
Virginia 7 12 12 13
Wisconsin 8 15 8 26
Massachusetts 9 2 2 5
Florida 10 25 3 8
Vermont 11 18 15 25
Iowa 12 20 18 27
North Carolina 13 30 7 17
North Dakota 14 27 25 32
South Dakota 15 29 19 30
Colorado 16 10 5 2
Maryland 17 6 14 35
Georgia 18 43 26 12
New Jersey 19 4 1 33
Connecticut 20 3 6 22
New York 21 7 16 43
Oregon 22 17 35 14
Delaware 23 14 24 24
California 24 5 20 10
Hawaii 25 1 27 46
Kansas 26 41 23 31
Maine 27 26 28 36
Missouri 28 42 30 23
Tennessee 29 40 33 16
Illinois 30 23 11 39
Texas 31 31 34 9
Indiana 32 32 22 21
Montana 33 36 32 19
Rhode Island 34 9 39 28
Wyoming 35 38 21 45
Ohio 36 37 31 34
Nevada 37 39 40 6
Michigan 38 35 38 29
Arizona 39 21 46 7
Pennsylvania 40 19 37 42
Kentucky 41 44 36 40
South Carolina 42 34 44 18
Oklahoma 43 48 42 37
Arkansas 44 49 41 41
Alaska 45 22 49 50
Alabama 46 45 47 38
West Virginia 47 47 45 48
New Mexico 48 33 50 44
Mississippi 49 50 43 49
Louisiana



Top 20 is quite mixed.

Secondly, when evaluating urban areas, the left loves to use statistical areas which includes metro suburbs which are predominately republican and really change the statistics from the urban center.

The left loves to brag on this like income, GDP, etc. In blue states and what they fail to realize is that it means nothing when considering cost of living.

"Look how much money we make! And it only costs $750,000 for a dumpy house here" Looking down on those that make $60k and can afford a 2500 sf house with a big yard. It's just silly.

 

You qualified “worst” I then stated “worse” in my post — strange how you ignored that and instead moved to the top being a “mixed bag”.

I guess the narrative didn’t match what you were going for.

 

Dude.

Bottom up.

New Mexico is purple as is West Virginia.

Pennsylvania, Arizona, Michigan, and Neveda lean Blue.

Again, your attempts are weak.

And why did you ignore the study not looking at homelessness, wealth disparity, taxes, etc.?

 

Sure, one can into red areas, high unemployment, high substance abuse, low wages, sounds like heaven. FYI, those areas with expensive properties is because people want to live there, it's called market value.