Germany's armed forces must become the best-equipped military force in Europe, says Scholz | DW News

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  1. Poohbear

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    Thanks for that, interesting and sad. There's a bit of that happening with Ukraine now, but nothing like the Hitler and Stalin scale.
     
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    we're now committed to fighting 1.5 billion Chinese and funding a war against 146 million Russians.

    Way to go Joe!
     
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    Joe did not invade Ukraine Russian terrorist did. We have been heading towards a conflict with China for the last 35 years. Again Joe the Joe is not responsible for that future conflict.
     
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    Better dead than red.
     
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    Yes, I've politely asked several honest and direct questions concerning the holocaustian delusions that Hollywood has poured into your head and your only responses have been snarky and puerile evasions and canned Holocaust Industry propaganda.

    Even though you've neither served in any military nor set foot in Germany, you'll blindly believe that only the German military is capable of horrific atrocities.

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    If anyone needs a break, it is those of us who are tired of your slander and desperate evasions. You're not fooling anyone when you repeatedly dodge well supported facts.
     
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    You can blame Joe for being weak by ****ing up the Afghanistan pull out as well as having 50 years of predictable political history...but this move by Putin was always coming. He just waited for what he deemed to be the right time.

    Germany should have never gotten dependant on Russia. They should have listened to Trump instead of laughing at him like dipshits.
     
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    How has Hollywood "poured holocaustian delusions" into my head? I've never watched a movie or television program about the Holocaust with the exception of bits and pieces of Schindler's List.

    All militaries have committed atrocities at some point. I'll freely acknowledge that.
     
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    Earlier I asked you:

    " .....do you really believe that the "human skin lampshades", "human fat soap", shrunken heads, "human skin Pocketbooks", homicidal gas, steam and electrocution chambers (1) etc that were featured in Billy Wilder's propaganda "documentary", "Death Mills", were authentic?"

    Your response in Post # 302 was an evasive:

    "Why don't you? What do you think happened to the 10-12 million people who disappeared in the death camps?"

    I responded with Post # 306

    _______________________________________________


    (1) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED
     
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    The lack of struggle by the condemned Jews is in no way evidence that they were not murdered.

    by the way, in regards to the Holocaust, I had never even heard of the "conveyor belts" until you brought it up.
     
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    Bad math skills?

    We have the russian archives you know, there were never more than 400,000 total people that ever entered the camp, they are getting clser though, the removed the sign on the front gate that said 4 million and now it says 1 million, and we also know over 11,000 people refused to leave the camp after liberation!

    Im not sure how hitler fits into germany having a strong army though?


    That was part of the nuremburg trials!


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    Medical Doctors who entered camps affirm; No-one was deliberately murdered by Germans – Death was from disease and starvation only [Starvation that the US+Allies Caused!]
    When American and British forces overran western and central Germany in the spring of 1945, they were followed by troops charged with discovering and securing any evidence of German war crimes.

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    Among them was Dr. Charles Larson, one of America’s leading forensic pathologists, who was assigned to the US Army’s Judge Advocate General’s Department. As part of a US War Crimes Investigation Team, Dr. Larson performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German camps, examining on some days more than 100 corpses. After his grim work at Dachau, he was questioned for three days by US Army prosecutors.

    Dr. Larson’s findings? In a 1980 newspaper interview he said: “What we’ve heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that is a hoax.” And what part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his biographer that to his knowledge he “was the only forensic pathologist on duty in the entire European Theatre” of Allied military operations, confirmed that “never was a case of poison gas uncovered.” [Emphasis Added]
     
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    The electrified conveyor belts are just one of the innumerable propaganda lies for which thousands of innocent German POWs were executed in the post war "trials".
    They were based only on "eyewitness testimony" but it was later discovered that not one existed.

    You still haven't said if you believed in the "human skin lampshades", "human fat soap", shrunken heads, "human skin Pocketbooks", homicidal gas, steam and electrocution chambers.

    I have already shown you that the death count of 5 million plus 6 million is impossible. They are just numbers made up by Wiesenthal and other early Holocaust Industry myth-makers.
     
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    In what post did you show that?

    And yes I do believe that the skin of people in execution camps were used to make lampshades. Never heard of the Nazis "shrinking heads" or "pocketbooks".

    gas used to murder people in the execution camps has been very well documented.
     
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    When it comes to war, Nazis were excellent fighters. They lost WW2 only because their enemies outnumbered them. :(

    However, in my opinion, Ukrainian fighters are currently orienting themselves towards the US armed forces. :)
     
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    So good to see someone with the common sense to see that all Germans must be kept in camps, to prevent their creation of a Fourth Reich, that recapitulates the course of its predecessor.
     
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    Germans have their uses.
     
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    Made me chuckle; but I can't give it a "like," on principle.
     
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    Germany spends more on defense than France yet France has far more to show for its military budget. Germany is very inefficient in how it spends its budget money. This needs to be fixed.
     
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    I first asked you about the propaganda myths concerning "human skin lampshades", "human fat soap", shrunken heads, "human skin pocketbooks" and other hoaxes used to dupe gullible rubes in Post # 299

    Re:
    This just shows how little you know about WW 2 and the grossly exaggerated holocaust.


    "The "Liberation of the Camps": FACTS vs. LIES"
    https://preterhuman.net/docs/The_"Liberation_of_the_Camps":_FACTS_vs._LIES


    EXCERPT:

    "No Lampshades, No Handbags, Etc.

    " What of the ghoulish stories of concentration camp inmates skinned for their tattoos, flayed to make lampshades and handbags, or other artifacts? What of the innumerable "torture racks," "meathooks," whipping posts, gallows, and other tools of torment and death that are reported to have abounded at every German camp? These allegations, and even more grotesque ones profferred by Soviet prosecutors, found their way into the record at Nuremberg.

    The lampshade and tattooed-skin charges were made against Ilse Koch, dubbed by journalists the "Bitch of Buchenwald," who was reported to have furnished her house with objects manufactured from the tanned hides of luckless inmates. But General Lucius Clay, military governor of the U.S. zone of occupied Germany, who reviewed her case in 1948, told his superiors in Washington: "There is no convincing evidence that she [Ilse Koch] selected inmates for extermination in order to secure tattooed sins or that she possessed any articles made of human skin."^7 In an interview General Clay gave years later, he stated about the material for the infamous lampshades: "Well, it turned out actually that it was goat flesh. But at the trial it was still human flesh. It was almost impossible for her to have gotten a fair trial."^8 Ilse Koch hanged herself in a West German jail in 1967." CONTINUED

    So, for years you've really believed that the "evil" Germans skinned work camp inmates in order to make lampshades when the whole grisly story is just another Allied propaganda lie.

    What else do you "know" that is really just more Allied propaganda?

    Hint, there were no homicidal gas chambers. The only time Zyklon B was used was to kill lice in old clothes, blankets etc.

    Homicidal German "gas chambers" too were just more Allied propaganda:


    “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.
     
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    Robert Faurisson Trial
    Published: 1993-01-01

    My first trial took place in 1981, followed by the appeal in 1983.

    Not one single [self declared 'Jewish'] witness took the risk of appearing in court.

    On April 26, 1983, the Paris Court of Appeal rendered its verdict.

    On the subject of testimonies, the court went so far as to pronounce:

    "The researches of Mr. Faurisson have dealt with the existence of the gas chambers which, to believe multiple testimonies, would have been used during the Second World War to systematically put to death a portion of those persons deported by the German authorities."

    The court perfectly summarized what it called my "logical thread" and my "reasoning" by specifying it, for me, in its Judgment:

    "[...] the existence of the gas chambers, such as usually described since 1945, conflict with an absolute impossibility, which suffices by itself to invalidate all the existing testimonies or, at the least, to stamp them with suspicion."


    Thats the determination of the court the judgement is that the holocaust was not even possible?

    maybe someone can enlighten me how there could be a holocaust if it wasnt even possible?
     
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    So do 'zionist' jews ;):p[​IMG]

    says the former president of germany after the war, Bruno Baum!

    Then again:
    Orthodox Jews on the other hand not so much!
    [​IMG]

    Seems the official 'story' has big problems!

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]


    You dont think its odd that 'orthodox' Jews reject everything israel stands for, after so many people died due to the 'deal' zionists made with the benevolent altruistic britain to kick arabs [semites that zionists betrayed] off their land?
     
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    I can understand why today's German military would have second thoughts about fighting another war against Communism, again, in Ukraine since their last war against Communism, WW 2, resulted in disaster and over 80 years of relentless and demonizing anti German propaganda.

    Many professionally deceived Westerners believe that the cause of WW 2 in Europe was Hitler's mad desire to conquer the world with poor Poland's invasion being the first step. The glut of mainstream psuedo-historians are careful to omit the fact that Communist Russia invaded the other half of Poland a mere 2 weeks later or that Poles had been massacring ethnic Germans for years before Germany's invasion.

    During those years, Germany had appealed to the League of Nations dozens of time to stop the massacres but the League of Nations did nothing leaving Germany with no choice but to take action against Poland.

    Can you blame Germany for being reluctant to get into another European war?
     
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    My response was to the one who said ...
    ... so I don't understand what you mean by your two questions. Are you asking me or asking him?
    Who is insinuating that another war against Communism is on the table?
     
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    Germany wasn't to blame for WW1. Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia. That's how it started. :(
     
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    Hitler wanted to conquer East Europe because of more living space for the Germans. That's indisputable. Part of the population there was to be exterminated, especially the Jews. (Holocaust by bullets, gassing and forced labour with food deprivation). :(

    Hitler & Stalin formed a conspiracy to invade Poland. UK & France vowed to help Poland but did nothing.

    These were xenophobic excesses by a minority of the Polish rural population. The Polish government had nothing to do with it. These acts of violence were of course very useful for Hitler's propaganda.
     
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    I believe that these lines are from page # 1 of this thread but I'll do my best to respond a accurately.

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    I believe that you agreed with @wgabrie so do you really feel that Germany can never be trusted and that it was Germany that started 2 world wars?

    Re:
    Because Germany's fight in WW 2 was not to conquer the world but to stop already expanding Communism (Spain, Finland, & Iran were early victims of Communist invasion / infiltration), attempting, now, to persuade Germany to build up its military in order to aid Ukraine in its fight against Putin's Communist invaders would be "another war against Communism".

    Does that make sense?

    Thanks,
     

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