Was the January 6 riot/insurrection defensible?

No riot is defensible.

 

Especially when they're attacking the Capitol, wanting to hang Mike Pence, and murder other members of Congress while obstructing the peaceful transfer of power.

 

No riot is defensible regardless of the "especiallies"

 

Jesus. He was so "stunned" that they did what he wanted them to do that he watched TV for 3 hours! Plus, he told Mike McCarthy that the attackers "cared more about" his phony election claims than McCarthy did.

Wow--what a great post!

 

An inability to distinguish things which are not alike is a disability.

 

An inability to understand that Jan 6 was kid's stuff compared to summer of 2020 is a disability.

 

Oh, now you're trying to include a phony "election fraud" assertion to justify the attack on the Capitol?

That's pathetic.

 

Where did I justify the jan 6 riot? Where did election fraud enter that post? Kindly criticize what I say. I will criticize what you say. Fair enough/

 

Polling suggests that 1 in every 15 Americans take this seriously. 8%.

That is a lot of people, but not in comparison to the amount of people who don't.
Everybody knows about this, but almost everybody doesn't buy into the narrative you advance.

 

what is pathetic is the amount of feigned indignation and outright caterwauling we see from people over the minor league riot -the same people who made excuses for firebombing police cars, occupying the city streets and burning businesses down over a scum bag named George Floyd

 

It is a disturbingly small percentage you quote-- in fact, honestly a little bit too small, for me to believe; do you mind supplying your source?

On another note, IIRC, Polydectes had been trying to suggest, by stating that none of his acquaintances took this seriously, that it was, in fact, not serious. Certainly, you understand that those two things-- people being clueless, and some threat not being serious-- are not the same thing, right?

 

Yeah it sure is.

 

There are legitimate reasons to riot.

This was not one of them.

 

It's not true they haven't been condemned. However, if it was BLM riots aren't comparable to the Capitol riot.

 

This is also not accurate.

 

They are not the least bit comparable due to the imbalance of power. It's also just based on systemic bigotry. They were all in when a guy touched Rudy G,'s back in a store but turned around when 82 yr. old was literally beaten with a hammer. Some candidates have openly joked about it. Two weeks ago Trump said the journalists that won't reveal the SCOTUS leak should be raped in prison. His crowd laughed. Rape is not a joking matter.

His pettiness and vengefulness are well documented. He was angry with Pence for honoring his oath of office to our country. When the calls to Raffensberger, DOJ and Barr didn't garner the result he wanted he, Powell, Rudy and Meadows set the coup attempt in motion. Trump wanted to sell it as his supporters went rogue on their own volition out of loyalty to him.

The plan was to assassinate Pence (2nd heartbeat) and Pelosi (3rd heartbeat). He would then declare martial law and himself the legitimate winner in the election. He also has backend support with disloyal (to our country) people in several key positions including Ginni and Clarence Thomas who would have been in the clear without the J6 Committee.

Trump gave himself away though.

1. He immediately blamed Pelosi saying she denied his request for 10,000 National Guards. If he didn't plan on any of that happening and the crowd just sparked on their own, why would he need the NG. His own security guy stated that was a lie.

2. Between the time he left the rally and re-emerged to ask them to disband he made a call to Senator Lee to implore him to stop the certification process. Lee was already barricaded in an office at that point. He sent a tweet repeating the lie that Pence didn't have courage during the melee.

3. He ignored all calls from Pence and Pelosi and several others to get backup. There would be no reason for him NOT to get backup if his hands were clean and, since then, it was revealed that he refused because he wanted the NG to defend the rioters but was told they would the police, lawmakers and Capitol.

He could have kept the lie that they acted on their own if he made a weak statement that didn't rein them in. He was derelict in his duties by being silent those 187 minutes.

Boebert was texting Pelosi's location to her contacts in the riot and a rioter contacts some others that they need to protect Dr. Johnson because he had critical data. Obviously, none of that was impromptu.

Correct, but keep in mind that Trump doesn't view the world in 3-dimensions. To him, people don't exist in their own right. They are just players he manipulates and exploits.

He had/has the RNC paying his legal bills, he used the DOJ like his personal police department, the White House as his personal abode (violating the Hatch Act), etc.. As Commander-in-Chief, he would have the authority to engage backup but as mentioned above, he didn't like that he could not give them orders to protect the criminals at the Capitol.

I was already upset about his silence as the mob attacks were happening but, now I know that he knew he lost the election, it's even more incomprehensible. That means that he willfully incited the crowd, watched them harm Capitol police and planned for two people to be killed. There is absolutely no way to make that sound sane.

He is clearly mentally ill and incompetent. Throw in some treason and, if life was fair, he should be executed by the death penalty.

 

I support all the above except the death penalty. That is Definitely against my principles.
I would settle for a long jail sentence just like any other criminal.

 

That "scumbag" is afforded his human rights by your beloved Constitution.
And one of your police who are supposed to uphold ylthat law has been found guilty of breaking it.
Law applies to everyone not just to those YOU agree with or deem fit to your personal standards.

 

Since the attack was 2 years ago and is under active investigation, people have moved on to other issues.
Taking something seriously or not has nothing to do with what you believe about an issue. Anyone with any opinion can take it seriously or not.
If and when the results of any investigation are announced, do the polling again and see how many people take it seriously.

 

I am not sure if that was directed at my post. Like you, the death penalty has always been against my principles, until now. Trump willingly and willfully lied to his supporters and continues to do so despite the massive amount of damage he is doing to our country and countrymen.

I am vehemently opposed to the death penalty and always will be but, in this instance, it's clear that he not only won't stop lying but he's more than willing to burn our country to the ground amid whatever mental illnesses that prevents him from admitting he lost in a free and fair election.

 

you miss the obvious point-that his lionization by nihilists, anarchists and thugs, was a nadir in US history.

 

None of it's "feigned".

And quit trying to compare an attack on the Capitol planned by the Orange POS and his henchmen with an actual riot.

You righties have no ability to draw analogies.

 

So what?
People are allowed by your Constitution to hold opinions. Their own, not just yours.
It is not for you to judge him by the opinions of others.
And BTW your courts found his death to be murder. Are you calling judges nihilist and anarchists and thugs too?

 

Some of us can be horrified at all rioting.

 

I suppose there are a few people who feel that way.