Ukrainian law enforcement shoots 39 pro-Russian activists in Kherson — emergency worker

"Meathods
Findings rely primarily on first-hand information, including through interviews with
witnesses and victims of alleged violations and abuses"

Oopsee!

Like I said. It's all base on allegations and hearsay from people who have much to gain by lying.

And Ukraine has lied countless times to gain support for their war efforts.

As far a civilian casualties, in the grand scheme, it's nothing much. US has killed way more civilians in Iraq alone. Never mind their other countless wars.

Civilians killed in Iraq. ~200,000
Civilians killed in Ukraine. ~15,000

I'm not a hypocrite. So I don't criticize. I understand that collateral damage is the cost of war.

 

Oh oh...Bill had a meltdown??

Name calling??

Someone should report?

 

Well...now hold on a second here fella..."including through interviews with
witnesses and victims of alleged violations and abuses"...let's dive into that a bit.

If they are interviewing people that live around the area...and Russia tells us that the people there are what? 90-95 percent pro Russia? Based on their referendums...then where are all the honest accounts in a partisan investigation?

You can't have it both ways here. Either everyone in the area is lying because they hate Russia or everyone in the area would be telling the investigators how much they LUUUUUVVVVV Russia and that nothing bad happened.

Ooopsee!

Logic 101.

 

Oh. So you suddenly believe what Russia says.

Oopsiee

Logic 101

Obviously Ukraine isn't pro Russian. Just the areas that Ukraine was/is shelling. And Crimea. Where the referendums actually happened.

 

I don't believe nothing Russia says. I believe the report to be accurate and I believe that the people who had to experience their occupation and war crimes absolutely dispise Russia. Which means their testimony is valid.

lol.

Logic 101.

But if YOU believe those referendum results then the investigations would have clearly hit a dead end as all the civilians there would have shot down any ideas of Russian war crimes. But that's not what happened...is it?

Oooop seee doodle!

 

Time to get rid of the stalker as well!

 

Referendums happened in Russian majority regions. Like Donbas and Crimea. The commission focused on Kyiv, Chernihiv, Kharkiv and Sumy

Take Kharkiv for instance. In 2001 about 25% were ethnic Russians. That number is now far less. I would be surprised if that number is at 10% right now.

Logic 101

I don't believe any side simply because it's the side I like. There are hard provable facts and the rest, I couldn't care less. Because in war, the fist casualty is truth. As we learned from the Ukranian side. With their countless lies. Like Ghost of Kiev. Bloody grandma. APC running over civilian vehicles. Island siege. Etc.

Ukraine has spouted countless lies and you still believe everything they say without any questions. The most recent lie is the missle strike. Even after the facts were made clear. Zelensky continued to lie about it, calling for greater action against Russia as punishment for it.

Logic 101. lol

 

When you have a crime. Whom do you interview if not victims and eyewhitnesses? LOL.

Logic. 101.

If all of Ukraine is supposidly pro russia and it's just this corrupt nazi government...then it shouldnt matter where in Ukraine this investigation would have taken place. It would have hit a Pro Russian dead end.

Logic. 101.

This sad defense will fall flat on it's face once the UN investigation moves into Kherson. Oh boy!

I don't care what atrocities Ukraine is committing on Russian soldiers or people who are pro Russian. They are not invading Russia. Russia is invading them. If you break into my house and I beat and torture you. Oh well. I guess don't break into my house?

But bottom line here; I do not want Russia to conquer land through act of war. Period. That's it. That sets a very dangerous presidence of which will lead to more conflict down the road unless we stamp that nonsense out here and now.

Russia needs to listen to the entire UN and ****. Time to leave. Take your midget Hitler with you!

 

You're creating a straw man with the arguments that I never used.

Happens when you're on the loosing end. Logic 101

 

Oh no. Your argument is "the eyewittness and victims of the crime are bias and their testimony holds no weight!"

LOL

Are you hoping for some CSI **** where they track the sperm down to the exact Russian soldiers?

Logic. 101.

 

Yo chill. Don't feed the trolls.

 

In WW2, what we did to Dresden was evil... but we were still the good guys. This thing isn't dresden though, this is stupid typical war ****. Nothing's going to change that Putin is the vile POS who is ultimately responsible for all of the death and destruction in Ukraine.

 

When conducting a proper investigation based on allegations, the fist question you should ask is "Do they have anything to gain from lying?"

If you get a yes, then the weight of those allegations quickly diminishes.

The second question would be "is there hard evidence to prove these allegations?"

If the answer is "no", then the weight of those allegations diminish further

You're making the same dumb argument that leftists make when they say "believe all women"

Except for you it's believe all Ukrainian.

Logic 101

Yes. If such wide spread rape occurred on such a scale, there is bound to be at least a few DNA samples. But there is none

And they don't even have to track it to a Russian soldier. Just a Russian

Logic

 

Wow the Ukrainians fired a Ukrainian for telling negative lies about Russians? That's a lot of integrity. Well, I guess the more important reason was she was doing it instead of her actually important job. Still: Good job, Ukrainians!

 

Her body language and the way she speaks, says it all. She is so full of sh!t. It is not clear or concise and is changing from one description to the next, readjusting her seating position (to coincide with her change of language) and adjusting from one uncomfortable position to another after the change. Just so full of it.

 

You are hoping they will track down DNA samples and match them to Russian soldiers? LOL Is that what you think?



If there are eye witnessess that corroberate the report from the victims that's probably as good as your ever going to get short of finding mass graves where the victims can be given an autopsy.

Good grief.

 

Again. You're putting words in my mouth. I said that it doesn't have to be a Russian soldier. Just a Russian

If there is such evidence of Russians raping people in masses during a time of Russian invasion. It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to put the 2 together.

But there is no such hard evidence. In the absence of evidence, one would be foolish to whole heartedly believe a thing based on allegations from people who have much to gain from lying

Logic 101

But if a person wholesale believes in allegations with no hard evidence, from people who have every reason to lie, then they have no logic. Or at the very least they have suspended it

 

Oh please....I'd be honored!!

 

Excuse me sir...what is the difference between the DNA of a Ukranian vs a Russian?

Not all the crimes reported were rape.

Why would pro Russian Ukranians who are oppressed under the evil Nazi ukraine leadership lie to hurt Russian soldiers?

Or is it the case that you don't believe that narrative? In which case, welcome aboard!

 

Genetically, Russia is a very diverse nation. Northern Russians are close to the Finnish people, Central Russians are to the Finnish people of the Idel-Ural (often called Mordva, but this therms considered to be racists now), Southern Russians are to Ukrainians. Siberian Russians are a mix-up of all listed. Well, Russians are Russianized people of different origins.

Belarusians and Ukrainians are comparable monolithic from a genetic point of view. It’s noticeable that Ukrainians close to Southern Belarusians but not to Northern Belarusians. Also, Ukrainians have a deep connection with the Polish people.

I don't believe any such narrative. As stated in previous posts, Ukraine at large isn't majority ethnic Russian.

"Referendums happened in Russian majority regions. Like Donbas and Crimea. The commission focused on Kyiv, Chernihiv, Kharkiv and Sumy

Take Kharkiv for instance. In 2001 about 25% were ethnic Russians. That number is now far less. I would be surprised if that number is at 10% right now."

The only people who I said were oppressed after the coup in 2014 were ethnic Russians. No Ukranians at large.

Ukrainians at large are probably ethno nationalists. Why Andriy Biletsky was elected into parliament for 4 years. And Why many people like him obtain roles in the government.

 

Yes, I know I am amusing, but this is the first time I hear it from a man - but drop your hopes, I am hard core heterosexual.
I don't plan to change the facts - the fact is that Russians have a long history of lying. Yes, the West sometimes lies too, but the West is no competition to Russia.

 

So says the ukrainians. The "ukrainians" of today aren't even the historical ukrainians....historically they were the Cossacks. Now, in present time, "ukrainians" are the remnants of the Polish people of the western 1/3rd of "Ukraine" because it was Poland until the end of WW2. If they have a broad forehead, rounder eyes and the end of their nose looks like a potato, that's our present day "ukrainians" aka backwoods Poles.

"the ukraine" means "the borderlands". As in the border lands of the Russian Empire. That's why everyone always refers to it as "THE" ukraine.

The "ukrainians" are so smart, their dear leader Stepan Bandera wasn't even born in "the ukraine", he was born in Poland. Now part of "the ukraine" as it is.

Western propaganda says the Russians are trying to Russify the ukrainians. It is exactly the opposite. The "ukrainians" are trying to ukrainify ethnic Russians. Have you ever wondered why the entire country can speak Russian but only a minority can speak backwoods Polish AKA ukrainian? That's why.

 

You read state ran media? TASS is literally owned by the Russian government. Are you Russian?

 

They are more closely related to Khazaria.