Ukrainian law enforcement shoots 39 pro-Russian activists in Kherson — emergency worker

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  1. Statistikhengst

    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    Only, Ukrainians are not Nazis. One should not spread disinformation. In fact, PF has a policy against it.

    Also, who exactly is 'some'? Sure sounds like trolling behaviour or maybe just shilling for the Soviets.
     
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    Yeah, that's kinda sad.
     
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    In his documentary Ukraine On Fire, Oliver Stone makes a much more persuasive case than you do here regarding the fascist/nazi qualities of the Ukrainians.

    Stating that those in control of the Ukrainian government have strong Nazi tendencies is a statement of fact, not disinformation.
     
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    If you knew anything about Russian history you would have known that the Russians annexed Crimea and activity genocide the Tatars, forcing them to leave and scatter up north.

    Who does that kind of behavior? Oh..ya. Nazis.

    China is current trying to remove or re educate all the eyugars... And yes right now, Russia has decided to invaded a sovereign country with the goal to conquer and kill or capture any ukrainian who dares to feel that they are not Russian.

    Sounds fairly Nazi like behavior to me.
     
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    That would be because you are right: it IS NAZI behaviour.
     
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  9. Bill Carson

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    So what would you like to call these NAZI behaving Ukrainians? Simply Ukrainians? Neo-Nazis? Ukies? Banderites? Do tell.
     
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    What you did, you just said "I don't trust any information that contradict what I said". Yes, you can say it and if I will say "I don't trust any information you have", out discussion is over.
    But just in case some other people are interested if Russia did the same as the US and used German Nazi scientist, here are 2 out of 36 sources supplied by Wikipedia:
    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/a4_team_moscow.html
    https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP82-00457R011600040010-2.pdf

    yeah, I heard this conspiracy theories about "global domination", "the Russians to destroy their main black budget bank rolling country", "one-world currency and a new world order imposed" and more. Even if it was true, it does not make any ECONOMIC sense that Russia could prevent or to stop it.
    Let look on Russia and some other countries GDP (Most Recent Value in (Millions)_
    United States: 22,996,100.00
    Italy 2,099,880.20
    Russian Federation 1,775,799.92

    Russia population is shrinking, the only growth in Russia have Muslim populations
    Russian highly educated people are leaving Russia
    Russia is very corrupted country, ranks 136, Kenya, Laos, Paraguay are less corrupted.
    Russian cannot even produce their own drones, they had to buy from Iran.

    So if someone is going economically hurt the US - it China or even Italy, but not Russia. So I don't see any valid reason for Russia to invade Ukraine, except the fear or democracy.

    True, Russia is an autocratic regime and the regime can detain anyone they want, like they did with Navalny, so this is the reason they were detained any organisation they see as a threat to Putin, Ukraine is a democracy, so racist and fascist organisation can operate freely.

    As I said - Ukrainian Nazi does not claim that the Arian race is superior to Slavic race, so it makes them less 'Nazis'.
    During WWII there were Russian organisations who the same as Ukrainians fought on the Germany side.
    And the same as the US saved some Ukrainians Nazis from Nuremberg trail, the same did Russians, here is an example:
    In Nuremberg Russia accused Germans of killing of thousands Polish officers in Katyn. The investigation show Polish officers were killed by Russians - did Russian tried to find and convict the guilty? I let you to guess.

    And again about "Nazis". Ukrainians created a word "Ruscists" - people who invade foreign countries and murder and rape civilians.
     
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    Heads will roll, but I don't know if he will be his yet.
     
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    No, there is no "theory" with conspiracy. Nazis in plain sight that Ukraine's government condone the extremist group's activities, the other fact that the gateway to hell resides in Ukraine (formerly Khazaria) with child/adult trafficking, along with drugs & weapons trafficking, money laundering and the Biolabs, where do you think all the military wares go? Yeah a squeaky clean country that the USSD has a vested interest in to do the 'dirty work' for them. Yet the US has bases all across the globe with so many "allies" (actually vassals) because if they don't bow to the US, they'll get no support from them and will make life hell for them should they say no.
    With the US and its "interventions", who gave them the title of world police? Oh, they took it upon themselves to crown themselves with that title. Any comparisons of this nature that Russia is or has done, do they have hundreds of global bases?

    When you quote history what parts are relevant to the present? People and events that have occurred in the past don't reflect a lot along the lines of Russia. I don't hide the fact that Russia had ********s as leaders in the past, those times were different eras. It is a different story now with a different leader with different views, unlike those of the past.
    When I use historical facts, I use them in a fashion that relates to present events/outcomes. Such as Operation Paperclip and the relocation and protection of nazis. Scientists, engineers etc, were their skills, whilst they were nazis still who had their ideologies seep into western societies.

    As for Russia's economy, BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China & South Africa).
    Russia's and China's fiat currency-based economies may be going down, but so is the US dollar/economy. Russia and China have been stockpiling gold since the early 2000s. Only now are all the western central banks buying up gold and silver. Are they sh!tting their pants? You bet they are, as BRICS are capitalising on the fact that they are creating an economy backed by a gold standard.
     
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    When they drag out a GDP measuring stick, they've already lost the argument.

    GDP = private consumption + gross private investment + government investment + government spending + (exports – imports).

    In other words GDP = private spending + private borrowing and cash investment + government borrowing + government spending + (the trade balance).

    ^^^^^^

    In order to get a higher GDP, all you have to do is have a government that runs a deficit and spends and borrows (prints money) like a drunken sailor. Like ours. Living paycheck to paycheck results in higher private spending, which is just cash flow, and thus a higher GDP metric.

    A lower GDP can be had with sound fiscal policy, balanced budgets, and personal savings. Russia has a balanced budget and enough reserves to cover all debt. We are about 31 trillion short right now.

    So a high GDP really doesn't mean anything. What matters is what the metrics are. Even still, garbage like social media (Facebook, etc) adds to the GDP but they don't produce anything.

    The factories are in China; the feedstocks, raw materials and energy are in Russia and the fat bastards eating cheeseburgers are in the US. Congrats.
     
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    That's it.
     
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    I'm sure the knives will be out for Dwarfstan....Crimea falling may be just too bitter a pill to swallow for Kremlin?
     
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    You have to factor in how well he shifts blame and responsibility for failures. It's never brilliant, perfect Tsar Vladimir who is at fault.
     
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    True...the buck still stops with Dwarfstan.....this is his SMO.....he'll burn with it.
     
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    Rucists good may to describe the Russians
     
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    Eventually, yes. Just not sure it will be as soon as Crimea returns to its rightful state owner.
     
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    The sooner that fu**er gets tossed out or dies the better.
     
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    I love yours “Ukraine (formerly Khazaria)”, because it reveals a lot.
    I am talking about academia view of Ukraine’s history and not about political/conspiracy theories.

    Khazars empire included part of Russia, part of Ukraine, part Georgia, part of Kazakhstan and part of Turkey, so the obvious question is why some people insist to call Ukraine “Ukraine (formerly Khazaria)”, and not “Russia (formerly Khazaria)” or “Kazakhstan (formerly Khazaria)” or “Turkey (formerly Khazaria)”?
    If you look on Ukraine history: Khazars empire ended about 8th century, then in Ukraine Vikings established Kievan Rus. In 13th century the area was occupied by Mongols, and part of Ukraine was divided between Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
    According to academia ancestors of Ukrainians were not Khazars, but people called Antes, but this area was also settled by Khazars, Turks, Mongols, Greeks and Romans.

    So the mystery is why an educated person will say “Ukraine (formerly Khazaria)”?
    I think I solved this mystery.

    Many regimes blamed Jews for their own mistakes – Russian tsar blames Jews for problems in Russia, Hitler blamed Jews for Germany losing WWI, in Poland communists blames Jews for starting students demonstrations, and recently Russian foreign minister claimed that Hitler was Jewish. Why? My guess Russia is trying to blame Jews for starting and losing war with Ukraine.
    Ukrainian president is Jewish, and I noticed recently some people are pushing theories that Jews and not Jews but Khazars and some secret Khazars organizations try to destroy the world.
    So it make perfect sense to say ““Ukraine (formerly Khazaria)” – it means Russia had a right to invade the county of these terrible Khazars, ruled by Khazar Zelensky. And Russia is not anti-Semitic, they are against Khazars and not against Jews!
    Will this Russian campaign succeed? We will see.

    PS. I am too busy now, I will answer later to your other arguments.
     
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    Killing a few Russian Seperatists or Soldiers pales in comparison to the Russian Nazi Atrocities while slaughtering Ukrainian civilians.
     
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    Which ones, which era?
    Are you talking about the days of the Bolsheviks? If so, they weren't Russian.
     
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    What are the Rothschilds? Jews? Look at Isreal, a Jewish state created by the Rothschilds after WWII. Look at them all who control the US (Soros) for one.
    Yes, Russia did have a right to have a conflict with Ukraine, because the USSD used Ukraine to destroy Russia, but yet no one bats an eye when the US goes into sorting out countries, because they work the bullshit-churning propaganda machine that the narrative created is accepted by the masses and then becomes a justified action.

    Is this upsetting?
     

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