Supreme Court allows release of Trump's tax returns to House Democrats

I think EVERY President should have to show their returns. Trump claimed he had the most transparent Presidency in history - yet was one of the few
modern Presidents who wouldn't show his tax returns. Is he claiming deductions on foreign debts that he isn't disclosing on other financial
documents? We know he played games with the value of his properties in NY - what else has he been doing - and was he open
to pressure from foreign investors because of debts? If had nothing to hide - why go back on his promise to the American voters to
release the taxes on his own? Trump voters just do not care about the character of their leaders - I do. (And yes, I have no problem
with Biden being investigated).

 

And a restricted right didn't you know that?

And ONLY for LEGISLTIVE PURPOSE. Yes I am a great believer in

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things ..."

How about you?

And again you do realize the committee can ONLY get them in CLOSED SESSION and the information within them cannot be disclosed.

 

I am not a supporter of those as some requirement as the Constitution sets forth the qualifications and requirements for President and Vice-President. But they are general in nature.

Do you support the 4th Amendment?

Again what is it you expect to be found we don't already know of any importance and is required for this legislation this committee is trying to mark up?

What exactly is it you expect this committee to find in Trump's that is so necessary for some legislative purposed that they cannot ONLY accomplish by seeing them?

 

The important part of your post is "probable cause" and given the testimony of Trump's business associates, there is a reasonable belief that
Trump is engaged in shady business practices. Hell, anyone who buries their ex-wife on a golf course in an attempt to skirt tax liability
has to be approached with a good deal of skepticism on the tax front.

 

The IRS is perfectly capable at looking at those disclosures and his tax returns and informing the FEC of any perjury on the financial disclosure so he could be charged with a crime. Property values are not listed on tax returns. Debts are not listed on tax returns, you cannot write off personal interest anymore you know. Assets are not listed on tax returns.

If you don't like he didn't release them then don't vote for him. I don't him at all knowing how the MSM has misrepresented his business for the last seven years and no one should have to give ANYONE their tax returns just so that person can trying to use them for political means.

 

LOL. What is this babble you've posted!. You've avoided answering the question twice now. Why are you so scared to answer?

I expect to find many foreign transactions which no one is saying is illegal so don't go there

 

ONLY for actual legislative purposes, what are they here?

 

I answered your question. When are you going to answer mine?

Like what that would be on his tax returns that are not in his financial disclosures or public record? These are his PERSONAL tax forms not Trump INC, his business dealings.

 

Delete

 

Then that is the purview of the IRS and their criminal enforcement division NOT Congress.

 

No you didn't. You claimed that everything in the tax return can be found on the disclosure so once again answer the question that you are too scared to answer. There is nothing in the disclosure that references financial transactions

I did answer your question. I expect to find many foreign transactions which no one is saying is illegal so don't go there

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The law that allows Congress to access tax returns dates from 1927.

If it had been unconstitutional, it would have been repealed long ago.

You have no argument left, even for defending Trump.

 

And was amended in the 1990's to place huge restrictions on it after it was disclosed Nixon had plotted to use taxpayer information to go after his enemies.

ONLY for LEGISLTIVE PURPOSE. Yes I am a great believer in

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things ..."

How about you?

And again you do realize the committee can ONLY get them in CLOSED SESSION and the information within them cannot be disclosed.

 

I asked YOU and others what YOU expect this committee to get from his tax returns, or you and others if they get leaked, that is not already on his financial disclosure. What that is necessary for some legislative purpose. His business transactions are in the Trump Inc. filings these are his PERSONAL tax records. And in fact the financial disclosures would have more than his personal. If there is some reasonable doubt he is not reporting income that is the duty of the IRS not partisan politicians on some partisan committee who have no idea what they are looking at anyway they are not tax experts. Has the IRS come to them saying they need some addtiional legislation? Nope. Has the FEC come to them saying there needs to be some additional legislation? Nope.

 

Such legislation would again, be unconstitutional because of that 4th Amendment thing. Quoting Ratcliffe: The President isn't above the law, but the President isn't beneath it either. Whomever runs for president, shouldn't have to surrender rights that none of us would.

 

More irrelevant babble from you.
I expect to find many foreign transactions which no one is saying is illegal so don't go there

 

Which again, shows that the committee has no legislative value. But the court accepted the most absurd legal argument of all time: We have to see it before we can determine legislative value!(This is the ACA, all over again.) the House literally had no other answer than that, and the SCOTUS accepted it.

 

You're a defender of the Constitution only when justice is on Trump's side.

 

The court, with 3 trump appointees? Come on dude.

 

I didn’t make that claim. Govt oversight prevents corruption. L

Yah how can we prove corruption if we can’t even conduct oversight? Should govt get to do what it wants until it’s proven they’re corrupt?

 

Wheres the 4th for an old black guy watering flowers? Suddenly you’re a fan of it again?

 

So, the Constitution protects your tax returns after you file them with the IRS? You have an expectation of privacy after you give your tax returns to the IRS?

Those are ridiculous arguments @Bluesguy .

*LOL*

 

You should. The IRS was formed as a compromise.
.
Representative (later president) James Garfield of
Ohio spearheaded an effort to make tax information
private. On April 5, 1870, IRS Commissioner
Delano forbade tax assessors from furnishing lists
of taxpayers for publication. On July 14, 1870,
Congress passed a revenue act stating, “no
collector ... shall permit to be published in any
manner such income returns or any part thereof,
except such general statistics ...

This idea is not a new idea, we're not having a new debate. The House Democrats revived a very old concept, and this Court failed in its duty to safeguard it.

https://www.irs.gov/taxpayer-bill-of-rights#privacy

Congress is NOT the IRS, it should not have oversight over a person's personal taxes, i don't care if he's President or dog catcher.

 

Do you have a point in your rants against my facts? Trump still not in prison. Or do you always get side tracked and not stay on point?

 

So you won't mind sharing your tax returns here so they can be posted for all to see since you don't believe in privacy for the citizens of the United States.