What Is An Assault Weapon?

But, that does NOT mean there is nothing to be done about "violent lunatics", or the zero of them are redeemable. Utopia may not be an achievable option, but it might not be a bad goal.

Back to the point at hand, I think we can do better dealing with gun violence than throwing our hands in the air.

 

On the contrary, it was the talk of the town, and they started banning many imports in the 1980s after the school massacre in CA (35 kids shot), and another shooting leaving 23 dead and 27 wounded. Another one at McDonalds in -84 where 41 were shot with an Uzi.

Did you know Reagan was in full support of the 1994 ban, and he even wrote to the Congress to make sure he was a supporter? Crime was rampant in the 1980s and 90s. Much worse than now and 77% of Americans supported a ban at that time, so people were more for it then than now. Now people support wider background checks and other smaller measures, but not bans.

Why argue for the sake of arguing. Everyone knows what the poster is saying.

 

Did you pay your $200 stamp tax on each of those suppressors? Are any of them an SBR, did you pay the ATF tax on that?

 

That didn't happen until the end of the Bush (1) administration) Reagan was a fan after his brain started to rot. Most people were ignorant of what the ban did and the 1994 elections -well Clinton attributed to the Dems losing the house for the first time in 40 years due to the gun ban which of course was both unconstitutional and a worthless attempt to reduce crime

 

yeah we need to stop filling up the jails with non violent offenders and put the violent types in much longer and enable good folks the ability to fight back and shoot as many violent attackers as possible. most violent crime is caused by a much smaller subset of criminals and if those chronic offenders are shot or jailed for long periods of time, violent crime goes down

 

He supported it because crime was out of control in US. Miami was a war zone.

I was just responding to your claim that 35 yrs ago no one would have thought of it, when in truth 77% of people supported it.

Well, crime did begin to drop sharply, but not because of the ban.

 

in 1987? Bush wasn't even president. No one was proposing bans in congress at the time. Sugarmann was starting to draft a scheme to ban those weapons those, I already noted that

almost all the violence in Miami was drug related-often illegal immigrants

 

Well that is the "dangerous liberty" our founders spoke of. There is no way to take essential liberty from a person who has not committed any crime. And, there is no way to remove access to firearms from any person who has their liberty in this country.

The killings to which you refer; those committed by previously law-abiding people who snap and go postal, are outliers and statistically insignificant to the overall problem of violent crime. (This is your opportunity to resist the urge to insert the usual "appeal to emotion" fallacy.)

It is my perception that the vast and overwhelming majority of violence in this country is committed by people who have already proven their violent nature in the past, and have been released back upon our peaceable society by failure or apathy in our criminal justice system.

We should, however, not allow 'perfect' to get in the way of 'better'. In my opinion, 'better' could be accomplished by incarcerating violent people for as long as it takes for them to become provably non-violent.

 

2 of those are designed for rifle use, one is not.

 

They thought they knew that AR stands for assault rifle instead of Armalite Rifle
And they still can't define what an assault rifle is.

 

I paid for my stamps, there’s no “ATF” tax on a PCC.

 

While I support and agree with everything you just posted, I think we do know why mass shooters have been on the rise over the last 20 years. But nobody wants to admit we were wrong in the past.
And you are right. It isn't guns, it isn't laws, and it isn't training, its how we have raised our children in the last 20 years. We are the result of what we have created.

Gun violence isn't the only thing on the rise. A recent APA national survey of nearly 15,000 pre-K through 12th-grade teachers, staff, psychologists, social workers, and administrators: 54% of all respondents were threatened or attacked on the job between just between July 2020 and June 2021. From 1966 through 1978, I never heard of a student threatening, attacking, or verbally assaulting a teacher. Today, its common place.

Just this month a 14-year-old Washington state boy was charged with assault after he was accused of putting his belt around a teacher’s neck during class, a South Florida teacher was taken to the hospital after she was attacked by a student, and a senior citizen substituting in DeSoto, Texas, had chairs thrown at him. Almost half of all teachers reported they desire or plan to quit or transfer their jobs due to concerns about school climate and school safety.

These children are products of their environment. And what is the only thing that has changed? An environment that has canceled discipline not only in the class rooms, but in the homes as well. And even though the current result of attacks on teachers and students continue to rise, we will continue to ignore where its coming from. This also equates to individuals with this mindset thrust upon our communities who go off when they don't get what they want.

Everything we are experiencing starts at home. Our children are a product of their environments and as the crime rate, assault rate on teachers, and gun violence rises, these people didn't magically overnight become killers. Their behavior is a product of years of not being held accountable for their actions. And I find it amazing how they retaliate on the very place that lead them into believing that the world is just like school.

 

I said SBR (short barrel rifle), nothing about a pistol.

 

I have never heard of any weapon assaulting anyone. Or do I have a kitchen full of assault knives?

 

"Assault weapon" is yet another bastardization of language the left embraces to forward their agenda. As used by the LW it comprises any weapon not available or conceivable by the Founding Fathers.

 

I know. It’s still legal to own and shoot a PCC with the proper brace.

 

Not true
If that were true, then the assault weapon ban wouldn't have included pistol grips, folding stocks, detachable magazines, flash suppressors, barrel shrouds, and gun weight.
Which is why nobody can define what Democrats call an assault rifle. Not even Democrats,

 

The weapon used to assault someone, would be the "assault weapon", would it not? The "murder weapon" never murdered anyone either, did it? And yet, it is called the murder weapon.

 

The term "assault weapon" is fed to the gullible to rebleat for the purpose of demonizing an inanimate object. It is not likely they would be successful in pushing their agenda if an honest term was used. For example: Punish law abiding citizens for the actions of "assault people".

 

I am pointing out the connotations put on items parties want to ban.
If an individual was murdered with a hair dryer thrown into a bathtub, it is the murder weapon. Does that make all hair dryers murder weapons, or just the one used to murder someone?
Meaning the term murder weapon is used to describe what was used to facilitate a murder. Not a reference to the item itself.
And if thats going to be the new label, then all guns are murder weapons.

Point being there is no such thing as an assault weapon. And if you want to use the term murder weapon as your governance, then how can a new gun I purchase, that has never been fired, be an assault weapon?

 

An "assault weapon" can be a rock, club, bottle or any object used to assault someone.

I suppose even a trained attack dog could be an assault weapon

I once saw someone throw a terrified Black snake at someone who was equally terrified so that, too, could be an "assault weapon" / "assault snake".

I suppose most people and all politicians mean that an "assault weapon" is any firearm that they do not like.

 

black snakes matter?

 

Very astute.

 

We are in 100% agreement. Outside of the military, only those weapons which have actually been used by civilians to assault someone, are technically "assault weapons". By that measure, any item can be an assault weapon. That doesn't mean that every item is an assault weapon.

This is, of course, not how the term is being used by the gun banners. Biden, apparently, wants to ban every semi-auto firearm.

 

Certainly, any knives with black handles would be suspect?
I've repeated many times that no weapon commits a crime and doesn't become a murder weapon until it's in the control of a murderer.
Falls on deaf ears; we are in an age where many seem to think we can punish guns while going soft on criminals, and crime will reduce.

I find it interesting that more people are murdered each year by fists and feet than by all long-gun types combined.
That would make fists and feet murder weapons constituting a greater threat than all the AR-15's in the country.