What Is An Assault Weapon?

Well, since the police provided no such document and the NRA claims,
There is no record of a member relationship between Newtown killer Adam Lanza, nor between Nancy Lanza, A. Lanza or N. Lanza with the National Rifle Association. Reporting to the contrary is reckless, false and defamatory
The proof resides with the PD to produce the document, and they never have.

Not even close to the truth. The NRA is only about constitutional laws and gun ownership.
Just because they refuse to promote gun laws that have nothing to do with gun violence, doesn't mean they are for gun violence.
Like I said before, 20,000 gun laws on the books and the left thinks more gun laws will stop gun violence.
The NRA says gun education is the answer.
And the NRA has the record of gun safety and no history of gun violence.
Yet the left and their black supporters have the worst history of gun violence in the country.
I think the records speak for themselves.
If more people were NRA members, and supported the NRA over useless additional gun laws that have no effect of gun crime, we might get somewhere.

 

I didn't spend a lot of time researching that, that was what I found after looking for about 20 seconds.

Stopped there, my point exactly. They are a one pony show, when they could have been and be so much more. Supporting the Constitution doesn't, and shouldn't, preclude HELPING to find a solution to OUR gun violence crisis.

 

They are 2nd amendment advocates with the best member gun safety record there is.
How is an association with the best member gun safety record, responsible for the gun violence of those who refuse to join them and advocate against them?
Sounds more like people should be emulating them instead of blaming them for something they aren't responsible for.

How many more gun laws do we need to implement before the left figures out (after the first 20,000) that additional gun laws and gun free zones don't work?

 

~ I hope that you are correct. However I do feel a ban on hammers coming down the pike ...

 

It is a weapon that assaults, thus making it an assault weapon.

*mic drop*

Nailed it!

 

Whoa, I didn't say they were responsible. People that refuse to join and advocate against the NRA do so because the NRA has turned gun violence into a political issue rather than getting out front of the gun violence issue to HELP solve it. No one's blaming the NRA for "gun violence", they are condemning them for not helping and resisting every effort to solve it. Especially since the NRA, better than anyone, could lead toward a solution instead of stymieing every effort to find one.

 

I am correct. Will. Not. Happen.

 

Why would you blame the NRA for something the NRA isn't responsible for?
Sounds more like, the left should be supporting the NRA to try and get the same results as the NRA.
Until then, you're just blaming them for the failure of gun laws to handle gun violence.
When they learn that laws don't stop gun violence, they just hold those accountable, they can require all gun owners to be NRA qualified to get a gun.
Then you can start to see the same results.
Gun laws don't stop gun violence so getting behind something the left has been doing without success for over 50 years doesn't make any sense.

 

I'm not "blaming" the NRA for anything they aren't responsible for. I'm saying the NRA could have achived their goal of protecting the 2nd Amendment BY getting out front with supporting efforts to stop gun violence but don't violate the Constitution; instead of resisting everything.

I'm not blaming them for any failure except their own to be part of the solution.

Actually that claim is untrue:
The FBI and CDC Datasets Agree: Who Has Guns—Not Which Guns—Linked to Murder Rates
Boston University School of Public Health researcher Michael Siegel says that mirrored analyses of Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC) homicide data serve to double down on evidence that controlling who has access to guns has much more impact on reducing gun-related homicides than controlling what guns people have.
https://www.bu.edu/articles/2019/state-gun-laws-that-reduce-gun-deaths/

Stronger Gun Laws Linked to Less Gun Violence, Study Finds
Lawmakers’ gun safety efforts are proving to be successful, according to the Gifford Law Center’s annual scorecard.
States with stronger gun laws experience lower rates of gun violence, according to Giffords Law Center's annual Gun Law Scorecard released Friday.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...-laws-linked-to-less-gun-violence-study-finds

Research Supports Tighter Gun Laws to Reduce Mass Shooting Violence
A 2019 study by Paul Reeping and Charles Branas of the Columbia Mailman School of Public Health and colleagues at Boston University and the University of Pennsylvania, published in the British Medical Journal (BMJ), found that U.S. states with more restrictive gun laws experience mass shootings at a significantly lower rate than states with more permissive gun laws.
https://www.publichealth.columbia.e...ighter-gun-laws-reduce-mass-shooting-violence

I am very much in favor of gun ownership be tied to demonstrable skill and knowledge of firearms BEFORE a firearm purchase. Every time I've made such a suggestion on this board it's been shot down and I'm often personally attacked; including by you.

The NRA is strongly against any requirements to purchase a firearm.

 

You blame the NRA for "...resisting every effort to solve it." ("it" = gun violence ) as if the "solution" to gun violence is the further evisceration of our 2nd Amendment rights.

One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and then expecting different results.

That is precisely what gun banning leftists are attempting to do when they foolishly think that attempting to manipulate inanimate objects will in any way change human behavior.

I can't believe that everyone who wants more gun laws is so stupid that they are unable to grasp the simple reality that criminals, by definition, don't obey laws so there must be another reason why gun banners keep trotting out the same moronic gun laws.

I suspect that the reason that gun banners persist in the same foolishness over and over is simple and it has nothing to do with making our streets, schools and workplaces safer. It is because most people who support gun laws know nothing about firearms and people tend to fear things about which they know nothing or very little.

Therefore, anti gun people who blame firearms for the actions of determined killers either have no genuine interest in lowering our homicide rate or are unable to grasp simple realities. They know nothing about firearms, their multiple uses or the shooting sports except that they don't like firearms and would like to see them all banned and gone.

There is no "gun violence" except in the minds of gun banners. There is simply violence and, as I said, human behavior is not changed by manipulating inanimate objects. It is changed by making our mental health system more accessible, expansive, and affordable.

Passing more ineffective gun control laws is cheap and easy but things that are cheap and easy rarely work.

Upgrading and expanding our mental health care system will not be either cheap or easy but detecting and treating killers before they become killers is the most effective way of reducing the amount of violence that plagues our society.

Thanks,

 

We can do better dealing with gun violence than pretending adding one more to the list of hundreds of 'gun control' laws that do not work.

 

That's NOT what I'm saying, I'm saying they could stand up FOR the 2nd Amendment AND contribute to a solution for gun violence.

Another is throwing your hands in the air and doing nothing when faced with a serious problem, or worse, obstructing all efforts to solve it.

I gave examples in post #109 that proves the falsity of that.

That is nonsense, as illustrated by the articles linked in, again, post #109

I suspect you know little about gun law ... or want to.

Nonsense; proven by your lack of supporting documentation for that opinion.

And, no matter how many times you repeat it; you're wrong. Post#109

That's why research is necessary so we can be effectual in our efforts.

I couldn't agree more that a mental health solution could be beneficial, but research is needed to know how best to approach it.

You're welcome.

 

Pure propaganda sir. The Newtown affair was a staged event. That's why the company that eventually demolished the school was held to non disclosure agreement. Too many skeletons inside that closet.

 

It was intended for national defense, but since it gives us the right to own guns, we can use them for whatever legal purpose we want.

'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.'

Of course they can create a legal definition for the object they are talking about, and they don't have to call it "assault weapon". They can call it anything they want, like "regulated firearm"

 

You need to get to the store for more aluminum foil; your hat is dated.

 

Neither you nor anybody else can prove any element of the SH narrative.

 

Even the inventor of the conspiracy theory admits he made it up

 

Alex Jones did not 'invent' the CT.

Independent thinkers who ask question of outrageous MSM narratives quickly realized the available facts did not support the official narrative. The facts available and common sense contradict the SH narrative and many others.

 

I disagree with your assessment of the intent for the 2A.

The 2A was written because the founders recognized that "the security of the free state" was paramount, and that security could not be possible if the inalienable right of the people to keep and bear arms was permitted to be infringed by government. It was not about hunting, or self defense, which were (and are) all common uses of firearms by the people, the 2A was about defending the state of freedom against tyranny.

 

Like banning firearms? Or banning ammunition? Or instituting laws that do not support the 2nd amendment?
Never going to happen and if that is your guideline for the NRA being on board, then you are more concerned with gun control than you are with actual results.

You can provide all the polls, ideas, opinions, and data bases you want. What you can never refute is the actual data.
If gun laws worked to stop violent gun crimes, then why is it as gun laws increase to over 20,000 in the last 20 years, so has gun violence?
You can't argue the historical numbers.

The only people who pay attention to gun laws are law abiding citizens. And the only people you are going to disarm or restrict gun ownership for is law abiding citizens.
Even in the face of the actual historical numbers of existing gun laws, and the historical numbers of increasing gun violence, you just knowingly ignore that data to vote for more gun laws?

Since you can't confiscate 700 million guns, what gun law will stop anyone from shooting up a school or a crowded mall? Most of these shooters do what the shooter did in Walmart the other day. They commit suicide.
Ignoring the real psychological problems of these people and ignoring the reason why we have more gun violence, by instituting more gun laws, means you don't want to accept the truth, you just want gun control.
There isn't a single law on the books that prevents any crime in the US. Not one. All laws do are hold those accountable to get them off the streets and remove them from society.
And if you can't understand that, you will never get any reasonable gun laws passed

That is in direct conflict of the 2nd amendment and not going to ever be a law.
If you want gun owners to participate in gun training and knowledge you need to make it a two way street.
For example
Remove any interstate travel with personal guns in exchange for NRA qualified
Remove wait times for purchase for NRA qualified just like you do for Conceal carry. There is no reason for a local Sheriff and the Federal firearms dealer to run separate checks.
Make the application for Conceal carry qualification to be NRA qualified

But you don't want to do that because more people would actually become NRA qualified members thus giving the NRA more political power to stop anti 2nd amendment laws.

Thats false and you know its false. If you're going to have a respectful conversation about the gun laws and the NRA, you need to stop with the over the top claims.

 

"Like" your being ridiculous. I'm not for banning anything. Nothing I've posted should have given you that idea. You're making things up for lack of an argument.

Links I posted were backed up with data. I think you've asked a good question, that deserves to be researched.

Without proper research you can not make that claim.

"I", I have stated repeatedly I'm not for more anything until we know more about the problem we face.
Since you can't confiscate 700 million guns, what gun law will stop anyone from shooting up a school or a crowded mall? Most of these shooters do what the shooter did in Walmart the other day. They commit suicide.[/quote]
I don't know and you don't either.
That doesn't mean there is NO research to be done.

"I" want no such thing.

Not true, my links prove otherwise.
I disagree that "that's all they do"; but that's a good start, IMHO.

It may not eve be "gun laws" we need to stop gun violence.

"I" am and old man, all I can do is hope we start to seriously study the gun violence problem we face so that we can act with knowledge, not emotion like you've been displaying.

OK, but I think you're going to get a LOT of resistance FROM the NRA.

There you go again with the YOU's.

I think the modern NRA has demonstrated the are against any and ALL gun regulation. Provide links where they have been in favor of gun regulation of any kind since the 1934 National Firearms ACT.

 

He invented the conspiracy theory about it, and you swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

 

No disagreement about defending against tyranny.

 

A military already existed called the Continental Army. One of our Founding Fathers commanded that army. Why would President George Washington need a "National Guard" if that is what you're saying is a well regulated militia to protect the newly formed federal government in which he was president of when he had an entire army at his command for the security of a free state?

 

Biden is already announcing he wants to ban assault weapons. Lets not pretend this doesn't exist.

Do you need research to know gun violence is increasing?
Do you need research to know over 600 new gun laws are on the books since Sandy Hook?
Do you need research to know that even though 600 more gun laws are on the books, gun violence is still on the rise?
Do you need research to know we have over 20,000 gun laws on the books with an additional 600 since Sandy Hook?

My point is no amount of research disputes the information above that shows over the years of instituting more and more gun laws, gun violence is still on the rise.

Does the lawful speed limit stop everyone from speeding? Did laws on destruction of property and murder stop the 576 riots and their consequences?
Did laws protecting the Capital stop the rioters from fighting with police and entering the Capital?

Meaning, laws don't stop violence. They are only their for accountability.

NRA has backed most state gun laws passed since Sandy Hook
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/nra-has-backed-most-state-gun-laws-passed-since-sandy-hook

The NRA played a role in fledgling political efforts to formulate state and national gun policy in the 1920s and 1930s after Prohibition-era liquor trafficking stoked gang warfare. It backed measures like requiring a permit to carry a gun and even a gun purchase waiting period.

The NRA helped shape the National Firearms Act of 1934, with two of its leaders testifying before Congress at length regarding this landmark legislation.

The NRA supported waiting periods for handgun purchases

When Trump directed the Justice Department to draft a rule banning bump stocks, and indicated his support for improving background checks for gun purchases after the Parkland shooting, he was sticking with NRA-approved positions.

Our Second Amendment is freedom’s most valuable, most cherished, most irreplaceable idea. History proves it. When you ignore the right of good people to own firearms to protect their freedom, you become the enablers of future tyrants whose regimes will destroy millions and millions of defenseless lives.
NRA

You can not legislate control of gun violence. Its been proven over and over which is why you have so many gun laws now, yet gun violence is on the rise.
Nothing you can find will change that statement. Laws are only obeyed by lawful citizens. If laws stopped crimes, we wouldn't have crimes, and gun violence is no different.