Ukrainian law enforcement shoots 39 pro-Russian activists in Kherson — emergency worker

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  1. zoom_copter66

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    So...Bill...are you anti Semitic?
     
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    Tell me then, why are there so many bases and so many countries that have regime changes in the last 70 years? Can't these countries sort their own sh!t out? They can't because the US, mainly the CIA, cause mayhem and these false flag ops and narratives to justify their actions to 'intervene'.
    What is your version of a site that is not questionable? WP, BBC, CNN, CNBC, NBC, ABC etc? They will never in a million years disclose that information. But for your education, I'll give you these ones.

    To educate you on how it works.
    https://tapnewswire.com/2022/05/false-flags-are-legal-propaganda-produced-by-the-department-of-defense/?ysclid=lb0ca34lpy981354371
    https://wakeup-world.com/2016/02/08/the-false-flag-formula-15-ways-to-detect-a-false-flag-operation/
    https://viapopuli.com/covert-united-states-foreign-regime-change-actions

    After this, we'll continue.
     
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    And this is lie again. At first, Russian invasion in Ukraine did not start at 2022. but in 2014. Before this Ukraine was neutral country, they had neutrality written in their constitution. As everyone can see, it did not save them from Russian invasion, even opposite - if Ukraine would be member of NATO, there would be no war in 2014. and no ear today.
     
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    The Economist
     
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    ****ing neocon Putin hater.
     
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    Prove it.
     
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    **** Putin. **** Russia. And **** anyone who doesn't agree with that.
     
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    I'm not wrong. Because I've said this very thing.

    Prior to 2014, Ukraine was a neutral country. Then in 2014 there was a violent pro western military coup which was funded and supported by the west. They took power and the president of Ukraine had to flee to Russia because he feared for his life.

    This is where it all began. Shortly after Ukraine ceased to be nuetral. Predictably, Russia annexed Crimea wich contained their most important and only naval base in the region. US wouldn't let such a base fall into a rival powers hands. And Russia wouldn't either. They took Donbas Shortly after. After there was talks of Ukraine joining NATO, Russia had enough and invaded.

    Sooo..Like I said.

    If there wasn't a violent military coup in Ukraine funded and supported by the west. If Ukraine stayed nuetral and upheld the Minsk agreement. If they never sought to join a hostile military block. There wouldn't be an invasion. They made their bed. So they must lie in it. Actions have consequences

    If Russia tried to pull this **** with such a strategically significant country on our border, then we would invade that country tomorrow in order to restore the "proper" leadership. We wouldn't even wait for them seek to join a military block with Russia. We would invade right away.

    And I'll be all for it.
     
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    Then why are you asking me then?
    Can't you find your answer there?
     
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    Well, I see we have to disagree from the simple reason that you think outside the box and I see inside the box.
    You think outside the box – you learn history from the professional soldier, I think inside the box – I learn history from Western university professors.
    I think inside the box, this is the reason when I have a toothache I go to see a dentist, you think outside the box, when you have a toothache you probably see a plumber or shoemaker.

    Eureka! I have a great idea! I am going to ask professor Timothy Snyder to replace his Yale youtube classes “The Making of Modern Ukraine” with links you suggested. Who knows, maybe Yale University will offer to this professional soldier to teaching a class about Ukraine


    Of course when I said "anonymous" it applies to me, to you and to most members of this forum, but because you think outside the box, it makes sense that you believe everything members of this forum write about themselves. As I said – for me evidence is more important than the most beautiful nickname or theory.

    If I didn’t answer any your questions – ask again. Sometime I forget to answer.
    I am not participating in this forum to convince anyone, for me it is most important to convince myself that I am not wrong.
    Yes, for me Russia is an evil, it is a country with long tradition of invading neighbor countries and murdering innocent people – I admit - mostly Russian citizens, but sometimes they make exceptions.
    I know pretty good Russian history, not only from the history lessons, but also I read diaries of some people who lived in Russia. And I know Ukraine history too – for me Ukraine is not only Khazaria, it is a land where Greeks and Romans had settlements, Kiyev was created by Vikings, many Polish feudal peasant run away from Polish nobility villages and settled in Ukraine, than all are was conquered by Mongols , than the area belonged to Lithuania, Poland, Otoman Empire and Russia.
    Everyone who knows how to think knows why you wrote ““Ukraine (formerly Khazaria)”

    I also listen to some people who blame the West for not doing enough to prevent the war, like prof. Mearsheimer and I agree with him, but he also blame Russia for invasion of Ukraine.
    Does Ukrainians are blameless? Of course not, they are also not smart – they knew Russia good enough not to trust Russian guaranties in Budapest Memorandum – they shouldn’t give back to Russia nuclear arms. If Ukraine still had nuclear arms, Russia would not dare to invade them.

    The only point you proved is that you are a liar, because I never said Rothshilds had anything to do with Israel's creation. Here is what I said:
    “According to the West academia Israel was not created by Rothschilds.”
    “Rothschilds helped to create Israel, but there were another people who helped to create Israel too”
    But it is OK, by lying you convinced me that I am right.

    Yeah – this is an old trick of racists: they will constantly say “Black are committing majority of crimes” and then will add – but not all Black.
    They will day Jews/Khazars rule the world. And they will add – but not all Jews.

    The most important people in creation of Israel were Hertzel, Weitzman, Ben Gurion, Dizengoff and some other people. There is a reason why you claim that Rothchilds CREATED Israel and every intelligent person knows why you did it.

    You should know better – what you have done is ‘name calling’ and I have the same right to call names any media as I want.
     
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    The idea of thinking outside the box is meaning that one thinks for themselves and formulates their own perceptions via critical thinking, as opposed to those who have been indoctrinated into believing anything they have been told via academia and LSM to make their minds up for them. So yes, we are very different.
    Have you been told what to think and believe by your masters lately?
    Yes, I do. As I do from many others who are not part of the marionette of lies.
    Yes, goes to show how you pay attention. I did state before that academia has been compromised so your professor will continue to talk sh!t, as the curriculum is paid and bought for by the rich and powerful who want to create drones and not free-thinkers.
    Well, there you go. Don't call the kettle black, pot.
    Your quoting the above is an admission, so you indirectly inferred it.
     
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    If that's the case I'm sure they will be happy to release the information on how many Russian POWs they have, where they are, and under what conditions they are being held to neutral third parties interested in upholding the Geneva Conventions. If you say you have killed 10,000's, then I would expect at least a similar number captured.

    But sadly, they probably won't be able to produce but a handful of POWs when this is all said and done. Of course I would expect nothing less from a regime that used Nazi death squads across the countryside for 8 years.
     
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    Pretty sure that's a myth
     
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    "Nazi death squads"??

    1943 called....they want you back.
     
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    Neo-fascist. BTW, you're gonna hate DeSantis, too.
     
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    Both countries absolutely hate each other. I have no doubt that there is torturing and murdering being committed on both sides. We have seen the mass graves and bodies from Ukrainians Russians have murdered. We have eye witnesses from women whose elderly husbands were led away and murdered. I am sure the Ukrainians have murdered Russian captives as well. But, from what we have seen and documented by the United Nations, what the Ukrainians have done is a drop in the bucket compared to the mass murdering the Russians have committed thus far in this war they started.
     
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    I'm about 98% sure it's not. Was the banning of the Russian language, prior to the war, also a myth? I'm still trying to come up with a single legitimate reason to ever ban a language. Only evil ones...
     
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    Didn't Putin tell Bush way back: "You move into Ukraine, I annex Crimea" ? What Nuland did in 2014 qualified, and Putin followed through.

    Nuland shouldn't have done that.
     
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    Maybe you haven't been paying attention, but I've seen dozens of videos since this started of Ukranian soldiers with emblems linked to Nazis, including personnel around Zelensky. Just last week even CNN footage (or perhaps NBC or MSNBC, not sure of which Ukrainian propaganda outlet it was atm), included a man riding in the back of a pickup through Kherson repeatedly rendering a Nazi salute without receiving any negative reaction from the crowd at all.

    The Azov Brigade is real, and Googleable. They are Nazis. They are integrated into the Ukrainian military. They have played pivotal roles in the conflict, including the siege of Mariupol and the Azov Steelworks. And they played a pivotal role prior, as they terrorized the border regions since 2014, killing thousands in gruesome fashion.

    That's why they all got together from the beginning and instructed everyone in the media and cult to prefix Putin's invasion with the word "unprovoked" as often as possible. Unprovoked invasion. Unprovoked invasion. Over and over. Because in their stupidity and greed, they did provoke it. It's similar to what they did in Benghazi when they were the B team: "Keep saying spontaneous mob guys!" Because it wasn't spontaneous, but planned, in retrospect, almost certainly by ISIS, in what was their first attack.
     
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    I've looked into the "Azov Brigade". I cannot find definitive proof that they are "Nazis"

    And some salutes and emblems do not a "Nazi" make.
     
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    I've seen enough videos to believe it. But that's not the only evidence. There's the history of what Stalin did to the Ukrainians prior to the Nazi invasion, and how it swayed many toward the Nazis, and remnants of that dynamic certainly still exist. There's my analysis of the liars behind the podiums when they discuss the issue. And there is Putin claiming it.
     
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    Neither What Stalin did to the Ukrainians SIXTY years ago nor your analysis are "evidence".
     
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    All of it put together makes me 98%.
     
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    You can add the detail of how Nazis like to fight. They like to see their opponents as subhuman. They want their soldiers acting like that toward the enemy. And they also want their people acting that way to reinforce it.

    Which side is doing that? The West.

    A Twitter verse has been created to ensure it's full of subhuman Russian talk. Academia pulling even famous Russian authors that have contributed greatly to humanity. Russian composers banned. Financial institutions banning Russians. Rt and all Russian news perspectives banned.

    I ask you, how does the above dynamic translate to the Ukranian with a gun facing an innocent Russian speaking civilian in a war zone? I'll tell you: Nazi like atrocities. Which is why I said don't take this path against the Russian people on day one of the invasion.
     

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