Appeals Court dismisses Mar-A-Lago Special Master

The case will be remanded back to Judge Cannon and she will have to shame herself by formally ending her own case. [chuckle]

 

Yeahwell I don't have a degree in law, let alone a license to practice. And you?

 

You outdid yourself with this beauty. lol
Had no problem with Trump's judge shopping, eh?



Sweet justice:




Neal Katyal
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The mar a lago trump investigation is now going forward with the blessing of the Court of Appeals, in a decision signed by all 3 judges (two of whom were appointed by Trump and one by President George W. Bush) This trump maneuver backfired spectacularly. Like all he touches.

 

Same old story with Judge Cannon as the lawyers who got/get involved with Trump.
They think they're somehow special and laws don't apply to them, until they do.

 

It's not about so-called 'judge shopping'. The original order, and the idea behind it: To review the documents for any items that would be plausibly claimed by Trump is in my view, perfectly fair game. These items would not be in the purview of the investigation and thereby, shouldn't in anyway impede it. Instead, the special master laughably asked the Trump team to lay claim to documents they themselves had no idea was in it.

I don't find the ruling to be unfair, or advantageous. I find it to be common sense. Look over all of the documents with regards to no side, and then make your own, independent call. How hard could that be? Well, apparently too hard.

 

No, I don't have a degree in law. I do consider myself a philosopher, and all law has branched off philosophy. From a philosophical point of view, the judiciary and the DOJ should be at the very least neutral bodies to each other, if not outright competitive. When the Judiciary therefore rules in accordance to the government, the two branches of government at that moment coincide and coexist.

Even with something as philosophically flawed as the adversarial system, the system goes away if there's no adversary. It becomes, at that point a rubber stamp. In other words, right now I feel the DOJ is more powerful than ever before, checked by nobody and constrained by nothing.

 

What is this now - 50 - 60 legal cases in a row that Trump and his "legal team" have lost? Even in front of trump appointed judges.
At some point, even the dullest person has to realize
that Trump and Company simply don't understand the law and don't understand that evidence matters in court - not just
Tweets and crap they pull from from their asses.

 

Not too far away will be a declaration that Humpty is a vexatious litigant.

 

I'm impressed, that you could correctly decipher that unclearly phrased riddle of a post. I hadn't thought it worth all the time & effort it would've taken, just to understand what was actually being said (and I couldn't have asked about all the obscure wordings, without coming across as being argumentative, even before I would've realized what he'd been arguing).

 

Or, does Cannon's ruling, and some other, recent cases, show that the idea of an apolitical judicial branch-- particularly regarding the Supreme Court-- is where we are seeing our ideals, most compromised?

 

Shame on Judge Aileen "Far Right" Cannon! And shame on that judge who obstinately sat on the government lawsuit for 2.5 years pleading that Trump's tax returns be given congress by the Treasury Dept. as per unequivocal law. Who do these stinking shameful judges think they are? Who do they think they are working for? So much lousy corruption. Arggh!!

 

Wow. Any ruling in favor of the government proves that the system is flawed?
So every criminal conviction is evidence of a flawed system. You have not really thought this through, have you?

 

Interpreting a law allows for the practical invention.

but for now, it appears the leftist driven political persecution continues at its normal corrupt pace.

 

Actually, you haven't thought it through so I'll explain even more thoroughly: If the judiciary rules in favor of the government, then there's no real medium in the proceedings. One has to give at least the appearance of neutrality. Failure to give even this appearance, means the adversarial system exists in name only. They have the power of incarceration, they must therefore have the strongest limitations and the highest burdens. The highest being that they don't have an ally in the judiciary.

But to answer even more directly: The answer is yes, technically. We do not know whether or not a defendant is truly guilty. Even with all of the evidence, that's why the term "beyond reasonable doubt" exists. It's a way to settle ourselves and to 'accept' the results of the deliberations, no matter how true or untrue they may be.

And so because we do not know the answer, the judiciary must not answer its rulings with "welp, we defer to the government." In its deference, it looses the legitimacy that the inherently flawed system allows.

 

There’s a huge difference between “we defer to the government” and “we agree with the government’s position. That is the legally correct position.”

Independence is the reason that federal judges are appointed for life. No need to cater to an electorate.

And in this case, all three judges were nominated by GOP presidents. Two by trump, 1 by GW Bush. How could they be deferring to the current administration’s position?

Answer: they weren’t. They were applying the law.

 

You could probably save time and words by just saying "Trump should be above the law". It is essentially what you're saying already.

 

It’s not at all what im saying, that’s delusion. However the leftist political persecution is obvious

 

I'm actually a little surprised Trump didn't originally try to get this case in front of Judge Eric (coming to NBC this fall)....

He's only 16 credits short of finishing the judge courses he saw advertised on his box of Count Chocula...

 

There are really only 2 options... agree with the plaintiff or agree with the defendant...

I really wouldn't waste MY time reading much more into it than that.... The plaintiff's case here was simply trying to assert one man deserves a separate set of rules and it was correctly denied...

If you want something more along those lines, I'd suggest moving to Zimbabwe, or somewhere else with a President for life...

 

What rationale is there for an appeals court to overrule the appointment of a special master which is a legal process as simple and benign as eating breakfast?

 

As I understand it
- she had no jurisdiction to do so
- there is no legal precedent for doing so
- it is not benign because it would open the floodgates to every person who has been the subject of a search to make the same application

 

I'm actually skimming the decision now... you nailed all 3. They discuss all 3, but really could have have stopped after your first item. They spend 15 pages discussing the known facts and the Richey tests the original filing failed, I suspect just to not further embarrass the plaintiff by producing only a few paragraphs...

https://docs-cdn-prod.news-engineer...shed/5c87d9b8-631f-41c7-92e8-129f412d0e0f.pdf

Funny, that they refer to this case as precedent within their own decision - Cobbledick v. United States

Oh... that's NOT this case?? Sounds like him anyway...

 

But it is what you're saying. You're just trying to play both sides here. You think Trump being investigated for obvious breaches of the law is "political persecution". One can only deduce that if investigating someone who has broken the law is persecution in your mind, you are in favor of the opposite, which is not investigating.

So what is it then?

 

It's not that... they're all for investigating things, just not for anybody who has voted, or will vote, GOP....

Also, only GOP aligned people can DO the investigating, since everybody else is obviously biased...

Did I leave anything out?

 

Trump has always been treated "below the rule of law" and this is nothing more than abuse of power by the Democrats who have gone full fascist on society. Trump did a lot to represent the will of the people against the system and the system and their followers are doing everything in their power to destroy him and anyone else who supports him or his cause.