Appeals Court dismisses Mar-A-Lago Special Master

Yeah that's really just fantastical nonsense. In reality, Trump has been corrupt and indifferent towards the law for decades and he's finally getting called out on it. Perhaps a little more vetting should have been done before Republicans hitched their wagons to his star. Doesn't matter what he's done for the electorate, what campaign promises he kept, or how you feel about him. Those might be reasons to vote for and support him, but they are not reasons for which he should be above the law.

 

Because if they don’t file charges there isn’t anything to contest.

 

So if the govt is ever correct about the law, that’s proof of an illegitimate system?

 

Nonsense. The system and the Democrats have been illegally spying on him since he decided to run for President. He has been routinely investigated with made up evidence and charges and even targeted by a former Preisdent who used the FBI and his WH staff to attempt a coup.

Reverse this and say Trump did this to Obama. Trump would be in prison. Why does the left always get away with actual crimes while innocent people are investigated?

 

No it’s not at all what I’m saying, nor am I “playing both sides”. There are no “obvious breaches of the law” and the investigations, for many years now, are beyond obviously a political prosecution. You are simply seeing what you wish to be true, not the reality.

 

Let me try softening/reiterating it this way: In cases involving the government, the inherent conflict of interest between a court ruling in favor of the government over a defendant is inevitable. The reason this normally isn't so stark is that the government has no vested interest in nominal criminal cases.(ie: murder, robbery, the shabang.). The government has a vested interest in this case, and has made that abundantly clear.

We can simply say 'the law was on the government's side'. but that's not how it read to me with the various case filings. How it read to me was alot like this. 'In the competing interest claims of the documents, we adhere to the government's claims.' and it's not as though this was examined and determined, it was pre-determined.

Since it was pre-determined, the defense had no shot. Like, there was no purpose to bringing this to a hearing at all.(and the government argued that at the very first filing with judge cannon.) That cannot be a just deliberation in this system. At that point, this is just following the motions.

 

There was and is no obvious breaches of the law. It barely if at all passes the reasonable suspicion test -- only if "it smells funny to me" or "I wish I could get something on the guy" now rises to reasonable suspicion.

 

I haven't read the appeals court ruling, but it is very perplexing on the surface. I do not understand why the federal judge for Mar-a Lago does not have jurisdiction for stuff that happens there. Maybe I just don't know all the arcane minutia that floats around courts but it sure sounds like a big stretch. The lack of legal precedent is astonishing on the surface. Judges appoint special masters all the time. Causing a run on the courts sounds silly. Anyone can ask a court to appoint a special master for this or that. However if the court got overwhelmed with trivia the judge would just tell his clerk to stamp all the requests with a "Go Pound Sand" stamp -- stamp, stamp, stamp, stamp.

 

You can talk to Trump about why his FBI did nothing, I don't have any control over that. And I also have no problem with anyone who broke the law in regards to Trump getting busted for it. If they broke the law, they should be.

And yet, none of that changes anything about Trump being investigated. Wrongdoing on the part of Democrats or anybody else does not negate wrongdoing on the part of Trump. If you've got a problem with those you feel have done illegal things in pursuit of Trump, that's fine. But essentially you're pretending Trump has done nothing wrong and that only his opponents have broken the law, and I cannot even begin to fathom the mental effort it must take to create and perpetuate that kind of alternate reality.

 

He has clearly broken laws in regards to the documents he stole, and may have criminal culpability in regards to Jan 6th and his attempt to subvert the 2020 election. These are the facts, and they are not beholden to whatever alternate reality you choose to live in.

 

He has obviously broken the law in regards to the documents he stole, and there is a decent probability that he is guilty of breaking the law in his attempt to subvert the 2020 election and possibly even for his actions leading up and including the Jan 6th riot. I can't stop you from pretending otherwise, but I can point out that you're doing so.

 

Trump never had an FBI. Literally, almost the entire system was stacked against him from the day he ran, until he won and until he left office. Same goes for the media and big tech. If Trump had an FBI, people like Hillary and Obama would be in prison for an attempted coup. Same goes for Comey and a lot of people in the DOJ.

Trump suffered the most egregeous crimes against a sitting President in our history and the Democrats got away with it. With a lot of help from Republicans and deep state actors.

 

If Trump didn't have an FBI as you put it, you can blame him for that. The FBI falls under the jurisdiction of the executive branch. Trump never had any real intention of putting Hillary Clinton in jail, that was just one of the many dumb things he said to fire up his base. If you're mad that Hillary Clinton didn't go to jail, talk to Trump.

Or keep living in your alternate reality. I can't stop you, I can only point out that you're doing so.

 

Yes they had no shot because the law wasn’t on their side. Should have happened with the original judge.

 

Yes it’s either the most vast and elaborate conspiracy in history, or you’re wrong and trumps full of ****.

which seems more likely?

 

Those are not the facts. You have no idea beyond a wild ass guess what laws if any he broke taking documents to Mar-a-Lago. The DOJ even checked it out, after he had willingly returned 15 or so boxes of documents the archives said they wanted back, and said everything looks fine, although they did ask Trump to put a second lock on the storage door, which he promptly did. You have no evidence -- as in none, zero, zilch -- that Trump had anything to do with the riotous action on Jan 6th other than your orgasmic wishful thinking. Trump, as president, got information that the crowd might be much larger than expected and there could be some violent actions. He tried to head that off as best he could but Pelosi would not allow DC Guard troops on the Capitol grounds.

 

I'll go with me being right, you knowing it and deflecting off into nonsense. lol

 

I'm not sure why the Trump haters are celebrating. All the 11th Court did was grant the United States a stay on Connor's orders for them to turn over the classified documents to the SM, pending appeal.

"We stress the limited nature of our review: this matter comes to us on a motion for a partial stay pending appeal. We cannot (and do not) decide the merits of this case.

For the reasons we explain below, we grant the United States’s motion for a partial stay pending appeal."

 

Trump would have been pilloried if he tried to clean up the FBI mess. He came close just firing Comey. AFAIK Trump never used the phrase "lock her up." Besides, while clever and inspiring, it was a silly phrase because it grew out of Hillary's private premises server, which while against government policies I don't think is even a misdemeanor. Besides-2 by the time Trump became president the FBI and DOJ had already exonerated Hillary's (actual) crimes and they hardly ever reopen a closed case.

 

Interesting. Thanks.

 

I was told the appeals court put a stay on the judges order. That is not at all a dismissal, though might be a sign.

 

The FBI and DOJ under Obama and even under Trump worked hard to not only cover up Hillary's crimes but to pin crimes on Trump that were completely made up. They exponerated Hillary and worked in close coordination with her and the DNC. All the while, spying on Trump and going after his Administration. Worse than Watergate and it could easily be concieved as a coup against a sitting President.

 

Allow me if you will to further expand on why I'm making the points I'm making: In an adversarial system, for it to be a true rendering of 'justice' and as close to the truth as we possibly can, I believe the government must lose on something, anything. This in my view was Cannon's mindset when it came to her partial order(we tend to forget, it was a partial order.). I think she was conscious of the fact that the defendant faces the overwhelming power of the government, and the government should be so burdened, because it can overcome those burdens.

That the government doesn't want to, is their own problem. Indeed, I believe if I were to paraphrase Cannon's original order, she believed that the partial order would have no effect on the government's case and the government itself initially said they were okay with the special master.

What they said, and what they did however were completely different things and the judiciary continued to nod along with the government, and the judge has been publically harassed for daring to put a burden on the government. This to me, goes beyond Trump. A DOJ-Judiciary public alliance is the final straw that breaks the adversarial system. It makes a joke, and we now understand why 94% plea. Even though the constitution guarantees a fair trial, the current makeup of the body prevents that(social media, etc. )

 

You can make different theoretical tests to determine if a law applies

Because it means one less way for Trump to obstruct the investigation.

I'm curious as to whether or not Cannon will ignore the order, though.

 

As Colonel Jesup said in A Few Good Men, "IGNORE AN ORDER??!!!??!!"