New York to begin sweeping homeless off the streets, arrest mentally ill

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  1. Moolk

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    The areas they would end up are blue areas, even in the red state.
     
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    It will help the citizens of NY.

    Some of these people commit crimes. This is the main reason they want them off the streets.
     
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    nope, ship them to republican cities

    let's see how republicans handle it
     
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    One day they complain about the homeless, and the next they complain when something is done about it.
     
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    They will still ultimately end up in liberal cities. As liberals encourage it Through ineffective policies.
     
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    Nothing effective is being done about it.
     
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    what do you think should be done?
     
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    what will republicans do to get them to leave their cities?

    what are these republican effective policies?
     
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    What is your 'effective solution'? I'd like to know so I can pass the idea on to DeSantis so we can solve the homeless problem here in Florida.
     
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    Forcing them into treatment, against their will is unconstitutional.
     
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    can arrest them, then let them choose time or treatment, we do that with alcohol related crimes
     
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    Crimes, being the key word. Living on the street and being a mental case aren't crimes. Good luck making "nutty in public" a crime.
     
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    Is it? Did the court rule it unconstitutional when we did it all the time before the 1980s?
     
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    Complicated question.

    For starters we should not encourage homelessness, we should not supply them drug paraphernalia, we should not pay them, we should not give them cell phones, or any other of the multiple methods leftists use to throw money at them.

    Also should not tolerate lawlessness among them. Trespassing is not ok because you are homeless, nor is littering, loitering, stealing, pooping publicly etc. all of which again…are tolerated by the left and serve to encourage it. Liberals have worsened both homeless and non homeless lives with such horrendous perspectives and policies.

    By simply not doing the above things will get better, though not completely solves either as a portion of them will always exist…either by choice or genuine incompetence to a point of inability to function normally in society.

    For that remaining portion however, doesn’t mean we have to be completely heartless either. Minimal food and shelter can be provided, with opportunities to serve their community which provides them so much to some degree earn their keep. That remaining portion will always exist, forever, and this is the appropriate way to handle it. The perfect balance of law and order, and compassion.

    Then charity can cover down even more.

    There is no solution that will create 0 homelessness, but we can limit their numbers, the damage they do to others and themselves.
     
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    depends on where you're making a home, many cities have vagrancy laws

    just like alcohol is legal, public intox is not, some do not even allow open containers

    but your right, first they have to commit a crime
     
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    I do not think any government is paying them or giving them cell phones

    now, they may get Social Security or something, but that is theirs

    agree, crimes should not be tolerated from the homeless, treat them the same as anyone else

    the solutions many cities use is harass them and make them someone elses problem, and I think in part, the lifestyle can not be easy, if it is, they are less likely to try to do better

    that said, some can never be helped due to mental issues, those we need to find a way to get them help, even if assisted living (drug free environment)

    and I totally agree, can never 100% eliminate it, but we can't make it so easy that people choose it as a lifestyle choice
     
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    Good luck making mental illness an arrestable crime, or any kind of crime.

    Send LEOs out to arrest people for being mentally ****ed up? What... could...go...wrong?...lol
     
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    What about the mentally ill people in government and large corporations? In media?
     
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    Plenty of things can go wrong. I reserve the right to bitch and moan about what ends up happening, but there isn't enough information to decide at this point.

    It's pretty sad (but expected) that conservatives who complain about the homeless problem, are also bashing the first person who actually tries to do something about it without proposing a better solution.
     
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    Yes, solving problems can be hard but the postion you've just taken is that you won't even try but are just fine mocking those that do, then when put in charge you accomplish nothing because you don't try anything and then shout from the rooftops that the ones that do try are only interested in keeping power but the actual truth is you want the power, don't have a clue what to do with it and will do anything to hold on to it.
     
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    That's why they can buy a gun
     
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    depends on where you're "living"

    If I set up a tent at the end of your driveway and decide to live there, that is a crime imo
     
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    no one said it was, you have to commit a crime, vagrancy is a crime, public intoxication is a crime, at that time they can give them a choice of treatment or jail
     
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    New York City to begin sweeping up the homeless?

    Good! It's about time!

    People are getting sick of bussing them out or doing nothing.

    Do you know what's going to happen to them? Because I do. Since they're in New York State, the mentally ill will be put into a psych ward where they will get treatment, they will be put on Medicaid to pay the medical bills, and they will need to be found a safe place to live before they are released. They might even qualify for SSDI or SSI payments from being disabled with a mental condition.

    Think about this: someone with schizophrenia will never get better. They will probably never get help until they get help.
     
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    Yeah, good luck with forcing someone to undergo medical treatment vs going to jail for a misdemeanor.
     

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