Define woke in a way that does not apply to you or your favored political group.

Prior to being labeled or named ad then used as a political tool, being 'woke' was something experienced by people who were growing as humans. It was about understanding and empathy. Listening and caring. It was all about growth in our increasingly integrated world.

 

Well you did say you never heard of Marxist Citical Theory.

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Re: What is Critical Theory

critical theory, Marxist-inspired movement in social and political philosophy originally associated with the work of the Frankfurt School. Drawing particularly on the thought of Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud, critical theorists maintain that a primary goal of philosophy is to understand and to help overcome the social structures through which people are dominated and oppressed.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-theory



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Re: Genetic basis of bigotry

This guy thinks differently. But wokesters disbelieve science when it contradicts Critical Theosry.

But where does this animosity come from? A popular adage is that racists are not born but rather they are made, and while this message is ultimately a hopeful one, it ignores a substantial portion of the story: that of biology. As I discuss in the Cambridge Handbook of the Psychology of Prejudice, there are multiple lines of evidence pointing to a genetic basis for prejudicial attitudes and behavior and if we hope to reduce net prejudice, understanding this is of critical importance.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/great-ape-expectations/201611/the-biology-bigotry

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Get with the program. Learn something about what you want to talk about.

 

I understand where you are coming from, but I suspect Biden was forced to compromise thinking taht, half a loaf is better than none, hoping we will gain more control over the senate in 2023, which we will, if Warnock wins. See, currently, repubs control 50% of all hte committees, we need Warnock to add that extra seat, and the next time, we won't have to compromise to get a vote to the floor.

But, of course, in years past, especially under Clinton, dems went along with neoliberalism. Clinton signed the Commodity Futures Modernization act, an act rooted in neoliberal thinking, which deregulated derivatives, and what did the the financial community do? They came up with a thing called 'credit default swaps', which contributed greatly to the crash of 2008.

 

Sad that's no longer what it means to most who use the word today.

I think "regressive left" was a better term for what "woke" has no come to mean.

 

So what went wrong?

 

The word was adopted for a different meaning is all. People still exist who are "woke" in the original meaning of the word.

 

I would say more hijacked, than adopted.

 

I found this piece on Cultural Marxism. It's from 2018 but it seems especially relevant to this discussion. The author argues that even though it's been used by the far-Right fringe that doesn't mean it isn't a thing:

 

If you want to misgender me, wtf do I care? That's exactly the kind of passive aggressive crap from the woke that folks are fed up with.

We are much more free, because of the choices we have made, not due to some force impelling us. With the wrong set of choices we could easily back into the middle ages, which perhaps not incidentally, also coincided with a global cooling trend.

I abhor all forms of illegitimate authoritarianism, this woke crap included.

But then I'm an American, and we don't tolerate this totalitarian crap. Perhaps it's a better fit for wherever you are.

 

What you describe is the definition of Critical Theory.
The name has been attached to many attempts to discover the source of oppression.
Why do you consider that the exploration of the source of oppression is unwelcome...
Unless you prefer to allow oppression to flourish unexamined.
From what you have written previously I suspect this is why you object to critical theory as a process.
And please don't quote me half a sentence. It is a common way to remove context.

There is no way you can convince me that unborn babies can be genetically bigoted.
Unborn babies are tabula rasa. Their preferences are formed by hearing and watching their parents AFTER THEY ARE BORN.
BTW your link doesn't open, and I don't put any credence in blogs. They are merely one person's opinion

 

I never denied free will in the arc of history.
But if history exists, so does the overarching move towards freedom and equality.
You can't deny it because it has already happened.
Free will has directed that progress. Some places are slow at catching up, but for example just look at Iran today. Eventually the oppression that has tried to control social conduct will be changed to a more free acceptance of personal choice. History has moved in that direction, from redefining governments to abolishing slavery to granting women the same rights as men. To accepting different faiths to accepting different lifestyles.
The arc of history moves towards freedom and justice.

 

So answer me this.
Why are those who criticise others for taking down statues of slavers, considered woke?
Could it possibly be because they agree that commemoration of slavery should stop?
Woke people agree that it should.
They also agree that individuals have the right to identify as THEY want, and not as others want.
Those who insist on defining others are the authoritative ones.
Frankly what you want is conformity to your notions of what people should be.
THAT is oppressive.

 

But woke is far more general than racial concerns.
I see it as all those who attribute behaviour to race are extreme woke, but not all woke people attribute behaviour to race.
Most woke people ignore race as a definer and object to those who do. The latter are racists. The former merely claim some legitimacy and respect from the racists.
That they are concerned about the same thing doesn't equate them.

 

What?
You said,

You related it to something that doesn't even exist.
I gave you what the original intent of CRT is about.

 

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Yes I’m newly registered, however I’m more in tune with the “hard working taxpaying citizens” than those worthless politicians that you praise for doing a good job. Are they really doing a good job? I think your more obsessed with being right than taking responsibility for who you voted for.

The reality is that those who voted for the worthless lifetime politician biden, who has been bought by george soros are responsible for the rapes of all the women and little girls in those convoys on their way to the border. Go ahead and report me to the moderators, and I may very well get banned. I don’t care because I am more worried about what criminals will do to capitalize on the open border some of you voted for. The people that voted for this soros puppet are completely responsible for the crimes committed by all the illegals in our country and the ones outside our country who take advantage of the opportunity to bring illegals into our country however necessary.

…and that’s only one subject.

 

I know the source of oppression: human nature.

I don't need a bunch of Marxist philosophers to tell me their theories.

i don't expect to change your mind. Wokesters are notoriously close minded, not to say arrogant. I post to give our more openminded readers more information about the world we live in.

 

Well I am only concerned with truth, which means facts-- none of which are in your post. I did not vote for an "open border." Nor do we have one, as the thousands who have been both taken into custody, as well as deported, attests. So it is not your opinion that is too much for me, it is the untruth of it, which makes it unworthy, really, of even a response. You will find others, though, from whom your mere mention of George Soros, will get you an argument-- hard to call it a debate, when your side will be devoid of anything factual. But, in case you wanted to debate an issue with me, please provide some evidence to back up your claims. Otherwise, your calling Biden a Soros "puppet," is nothing but paranoid, conspiratorial nonsense.

Have a good day.

 

The source of oppression is human nature?
Oh dear.
That doesn't describe the hundreds of millions of people who care deeply about others, both family, friends and others.
Those who spent their lives helping others out of oppression.
People working in social sciences, psychiatry, psychology, adoption, domestic violence and women's refuges.

You must be a miserable bloke.

 

But it does explain why war, enslavement and rapine are constants of human history and prehistory. They have been far longer than altruism.

 

Jobs only needed because we've corrupted the self-regulating power of socially responsible community.

 

Not necessarily.

It can be reasonably argued that altruism is caring enough to do the hard yards to ensure others reach their potential. It certainly isn't enabling and rewarding failure. That would be the polar opposite of altruism, in fact.

 

And the arc of history has moved away from that.
And altruism has been around since before mankind
Animals are well known to help each other out in hunts, shelter building and searching for food.