Waiting for Superbatteries They are still a long way from matching the energy density of liquid fue

Pipelines would be your best bet to transport fuel but of course not with this administration.

 

You had no case to begin with.

 

And yet you can't refute a single word of it from your Google empire in your mom's basement.

 

It is not that simple. Energy density is important. But, so is the major difference in efficiency between electric motors and fossil fuel engines.

An appropriate comparison has to include both factors.

Yes, through long pressure on the auto industry there has been progress.

But, the fact remains that ic vehicles still emit pollution inside our cities. And, that pollution is a serious factor in healthcare costs.

Yes, it has long been the case that we had to struggle with the legislature to force the auto industry to reduce emissions. Plus, it took foreign manufacturers to bring features like manufacturing quality, length of useful life, and mileage improvement - a demonstration of how profoundly US auto manufacturers misunderstood their customers.

Now there is another more thorough solution for pollution.

Once AGAIN, the US auto industry massively misjudged what people want, as the demand for EVs is large and EV manufacturers are starting to make inroads.

You may not see it that way, but EVERY auto manufacturer throughout the world DOES see EVs as the future of road transportation.

None of this has required force by government.

People like the features available in electric vehicles. And, capitalism will provide what the people want at affordable prices as the initial costs of design and manufacturing are defrayed.

 

Sorry for my failure in Australian geography!

Great cites on progress being made.

 

Why should I? Your claim is it is up to you to support it. I don’t go wasting my time anymore as even when I prove people definitively wrong they do not believe me - do your OWN research and you are more likely to believe it

 

Probably because your version of proof is not that at all. I've had a career in this. I actually learned what I'm talking about.

So prove me definitively wrong. Bet you can't.

 

If EVs are so great, why do they have to be so heavily subsidized to compete? If the were even sort of comparable to ICE vehicles they should stand on their own merits.

 

I am not the one making unsupported and ridiculous claims that knowing how a light switch works means you understand the physics of batteries

 

Because it is new and evolving technology

 

You mean because the technology is not yet up to legitimate ICE specs? Maybe it's not all that great? Maybe it'll never be all that great?

Is that what you're saying?

 

No, you're the one claiming I'm wrong that doesn't have a clue what the heck he's talking about.

 

So what case were you making? Oh that's right.... Nothing in particular

 

I know enough about the physics of batteries to know that they don't generate electricity. And if they aren't generating it, they're eating it.

Once the energy is released, it's always decreasing. You'd know that if you had the skills to replace a light switch.

 

Ignoring healthcare for the moment ...

One question here is what will US auto manufacturing look like in the future.

Biden asked the important question when he met with US auto manufacturers (not Tesla, as they weren't invited, presumably because they do not appear to need help) his questions were what the US auto industry needs in order to be successful with EVs - the direction that auto manufacturers everywhere believe to be the future.

The USA is benefited by having a strong auto manufacturing industry. Remember what happened when Toyota and others entered the US market, leaving Detroit gasping for air, begging for handouts.

Having that happen again, but from China this time is NOT in our best interests.

The largest EV competitor is China. They are extending through Europe and other parts of the world. The general feeling from analysts is that Europe doesn't have a serious competitor for BYD, which sells more EVs + hybrids than any other car manufacturer, and has a year on year growth rate of about 300%. Number 2 Tesla sells the most EVs, and is growing at about 50%/year. Nobody believes that is going to hold off the advent of BYD.

After that, the VW group (VW, Porsche, Audi, etc.) is in trouble with its EV direction and it's sales are stagnant. Then comes GM with the second highest volume EV sales from an American company. But, they are WAY behind, and analysts do NOT believe they are making good decisions. They spent large dollars on making an electric Hummer, and that kind of mistake is not unique. GM EV sales will be overtaken by Hyundai soon, it appears, as Hyundai's growth rate in EV sales is many times that of GM. Chevy, Ford, Toyota are all way behind, even though Ford appears to have a good truck and the ev Mustang gets good reviews. It is shocking how horribly Toyota has done.

Ignoring the change coming in the American auto industry would be a monumental mistake.

If we care about manufacturing, this is where we might make a difference.

 

Boy, how did the automotive industry ever survive for the last century+ without yours and Joe's guidance?

Astonishing really.

 

After all, it was that kind of leadership that allowed the East Germans to produce the legendary Trabant.

 

?? I didn't offer any guidance to manufacturers.

I'd point out that the US auto industry has survived with government help, especially while they failed to note that they were not delivering the cars that Americans want, while Toyota and others did so. The impact on US manufacturing was significant.

I don't know how YOU feel, but I'd like to see US auto survive the current challenge they face.

 

Let's remember that the reason for pipelines is to allow oil companies to charge more for their product.

Before the Oklahoma pipelines could reverse, US and Canadian production couldn't be easily delivered outside the US, so oil prices throughout our central region were lower than world prices.

Once the pipelines could reverse, we paid MORE not less.

So, let's try to remember who is benefitted by pipelines.

 

Tribesmen in remote Congo know that much!

 

Brits on large American cars

 

Why the hell should anyone create a Super Battery. There is no money in that when manufacturers could sell you replacement batteries over and over again!

 

Have a look at my earlier post. Grid scale batteries ARE coming (not the least because it makes no sense that our current system has no reserves) Plus with the push to nano battery tech we will see another electronic revolution

 

Yes.

Also, the Hummer failed in America, too! The last Hummer was built 12 years ago.

Their idea that the Hummer crowd (that apparantly doesn't exist) would be first adopters of an EV version is way more than just surprising to me.

 

Well, you can clearly see that is NOT what is happening.

The EV challenge is fast charging and long distance. Battery technology is the very root of that challenge. So is quantity of batteries, which means not relying on chemistry that isn't easy to obtain.

Plus, as mentioned earlier, the uses of batteries of all sizes, from watches to our grids, are increasing.

Making a better battery is a gigantic financial opportunity.