Waiting for Superbatteries They are still a long way from matching the energy density of liquid fue

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  1. LiveUninhibited

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    lol, I don't know about never, but it's a tough challenge to be sure. 500 miles sounds fine. They ought not drive much longer than that without rest anyway. Though I guess it should be semi-self-driving soon and we'll then want longer range.
     
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    I don't see why people hate nuclear so much. Use nuclear and save that oil for materials. Once fusion and pumped storage hydroelectric or whatever can fill the gap, then phase out nuclear if wanted.
     
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    Do you have a cite on who has "hate" for nuclear power?
     
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    Why aren't people who are concerned about fossils fuels trying to push for more nuclear power to replace coal plants? Conservatives are always saying wind and solar can't fill the needs. If true, why not more nuclear? I think this is along the lines of why the hate for it: 7 reasons why nuclear energy is not the answer to solve climate change | One Earth ... just don't really agree with it.

    I also understand that tritium from nuclear power will be needed to get fusion going at scale, so scaling up nuclear would help with that.
     
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    ??

    ALL those issues listed in your cite are absolutely true. They don't constitute hate. They constitute real issues that any nuclear plant has to answer.

    For example, one can see the solutions agreed upon in the new nuclear installations in England as they are under construction and have significant documentation concerning issues such as siting, finances, time table, resulting electricity cost, etc.

    So yes, nuclear takes a long time to build, is incredibly expensive in terms of funding, and results in electricity that is expensive enough to raise everybody's electricity bill. And, yes those selling natural gas and oil today are not excited about their products becoming less central to our energy solutions, and they have huge dollars with which to hose down congress.

    Do you really need more than that to understand why legislatures aren't overly excited about nuclear power? If so, there are even more issues in the post you cited, though I don't think they are as significant as those above.
     
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    So what case were you making? Oh that's right.... Nothing in particular
    I will consider your claim...
     
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    Team drivers will go a lot longer than that. Just one example of many.
     
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    I have heard rich people hate on windmills, say they cause cancer, not sure how they would feel about a nuclear plant in their neighborhood
     
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    Automakers "believe" it's the way to go because the Federal government is forcing the issue, not because they are in any way superior vehicles (except maybe in China, a dictatorship that would find electric vehicles useful in the event of civil unrest where the government could simply turn off recharging power and stop mass movement cold).

    Rather, Biden asked "the important question" because his EPA was about to set thier CO2/fuel economy (the two are mathematical inverses) impossibly high to reach without EVs. That's why the credit trading scheme (that allowed Tesla to finally turn a profit after about 20 years of existence) was implemented to promote continued EV development.

    However, in the same spirit as 2007s EPA v. Massachutsetts perversely allowed EPA to regulate CO2 despite not being a pollutant under any rational definition, this year's WV v. EPA effectively gutted that and with it, the credit trading scheme promoting EV development. There goes any incentive to continue to rely on EVs as a serious money maker in an automaker's portfolio. Anyone who jumped in on EVs are the next big thing is going to be hurting.

    It's a good bet at this point that EVs are effectively dead except for those limited applications that don't really involve work, like driving to the grocery store and the mall. For everything else EVs fall short. It's the nature of the beast. EVs shine in low load commuting. IC engines shine under load doing real work very effectively.
     
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    Wow - you need to apply more investigation and thought. It makes no sense to believe that the moves by some state governments in the USA are what is causing manufacturers in the US, Europe, Australia, China, India, etc., to see EV is the future of road transportation.

    No, Biden asked that question of US auto manufacturers, because it is a question that has been needed to be asked for a significant time now.

    And, your comment about CO2 and "real work" are clear indications you just aren't following along.
     
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    You want to think that the pollution angle has to do with CO2. That way you can claim to be ignorant of climate change.

    Instead, I was referring to the healthcare costs of burning fossil fuels on the streets of our cities.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1352231022003363

    When reading the percentage cost increases for healthcare, remember that our total healthcare expenditure was $3.5 trillion in 2017 - 5 years ago. So, when one starts increasing those costs even by small percentages, the cost to Americans is an issue.

    We should be GLAD that there is a way around paying billions in healthcare that is incurred by burning fossil fuels in our city streets.
     
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    Because nuclear is waaaay more expensive

    The market rules
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    So, when a car burns you want to be able to swap the batteries?
     
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    Diesels are reliable, and have extensive and well established support infrastructure.
     
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    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-12/how-india-had-an-electric-vehicle-revolution/101525942

    World is bigger than America you know
     
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    The EV's burn.
     
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    And have common problems as do petrol engines lols!
     
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    So do Petrol cars under the right circumstances
     
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    And are more reliable, and have extensive and well established support infrastructure.
     
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    Not in the circumstances presented in #86.
     
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