GERMANY COUP PLOT

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    Full title adds: "Police Raid Far Right Terror Suspects Behind Bid "To Overthrow Government."


    https://www.euronews.com/2022/12/07...-suspects-behind-plot-to-overthrow-government


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    Thousands of police in Germany carried out a series of raids early Wednesday morning against suspected far-right extremists who allegedly sought to overthrow the state in an armed coup. Officials said 25 people were detained.

    The suspects allegedly wanted to install an elderly member of a German noble family as the country's new leader and had been in contact with Russian officials about the scheme.

    The Russian embassy in Berlin denied having any links to terror groups or illegal organisations in Germany.


    Federal prosecutors said the group was inspired by "deep state" conspiracy theories, including those spread by QAnon, whose backers were among those arrested after the storming of the US Capitol in January 2021.
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    Interesting connections: Russia - Qanon - Far Right - Coup.

    I heard that the group was a "heterogenous" one, made up of far right extremists, anti-Semites, and conspiracy theorists, such as followers of Qanon. At the center, the reporter had said, were a group called the Bürgers (from Reichsbürger), who believe that Germany is actually being controlled by foreign powers. Also interesting, that the person they had allegedly wanted to install as the new leader, was a descendant of the German Royal Family.
     
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    This is nutso! Did they recover any weapons?
     
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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...ich-reichsburger-alleged-qanon-inspired-coup/


    This article, from CBS News, adds that there were about 130 raids, and that prosecutors described the group as being "influenced by QAnon conspiracy theories and espousing a doctrine similar to that of far-right groups in the U.S. and across Europe." The group was allegedly planning to attack Germany's Parliament, the Bundestag. It is tempting to claim our own recent history, as an inspiration, but of course, there's a much older history, and a specifically German one, of targeting the legislative arm of government.

    The group's leaders, were not limited to the figure head, in the German Royal bloodline, who has been promoting the theory of foreign powers still controlling Germany, which led to the formation of Reichsbürger, the "suspected right-wing terror group." They also included "
    a former parliamentarian from the far-right AfD political party," and "former members of the German military's special forces."

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    While only 25 people were detained, the Federal Prosecutor's Office has accused around 50 men and women of forming a terrorist organization with the intent of eliminating the constitutional order of the Federal Republic of Germany and establishing a new state modeled on the German Reich of 1871.

    The group stands accused of planning to storm the Reichstag, or parliament building, as part of a wave of
    attacks aimed at precipitating civil war-like conditions in Germany. It also allegedly planned to attack the national power grid* and to depose the federal government and take power by force.

    The prosecutor's office said the group had already selected members to fill important ministerial posts in the new regime, from the moment of the "takeover."


    Investigators have described the operation against the group as unprecedented in Germany: "Beyond all dimensions in terms of scope."

    Because a significant number of the group's alleged members are former soldiers of the Germany armed forces, including special forces, it has been treated as a particularly dangerous organization. Investigators had indications before the raids that the suspects were armed with a variety of weapons, some of which were legally owned.
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    *It is worthy of note, that WE just had a physical (not cyber) attack on our own power grid, in North Carolina, IIRC, in another important story, I hadn't the time to start a thread about. This attack came after threats directed at the town's allowing some sort of "drag" event.
     
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    The FAR RW aka neo fascists, are fully inverted off the proverbial cliff.
     
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    My second source, in post #3, does say they were armed with a variety of weapons, some legally owned. This is hardly surprising, as the article also tells us that some of the masterminds behind this, were former members of the German military's Special Forces.
     
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    This is the first time I've heard of a pro-monarchist coup plot in the West for over a century. Interesting that monarchy is making the rounds again.
     
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    it is NOT - pro-monarchist.

    The fact that some prince took part in it does not make it monarchist.
     
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    Tagesschau leads with this story, of course. 25 arrests. Apparently there were former Bundeswehr involved in the militant side of things. They say there are around 21,000 of these "Reichsbürger" in Germany.
     
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    Wasn't the Prince the one they intended to install as head of government?
     
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    Thanks for the add'l source, Lindis. I would say, though, that it does not really support your point, that the monarchical connection is tangential. It seems one could connect it with the current trend towards nationalism. I have even heard similar theories, here, about Germany being a U.S. puppet, as to which, your article alludes. And yes, Lil Mike, his article does confirm that the self-proclaimed "prince," had been the one, who was to be installed at the head of government, though not its military arm.


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    Members of the Reichsbuerger (Citizens of the Reich) do not recognise modern-day Germany as a legitimate state.
    Some of them are devoted to the German empire under monarchy, while some are adherents of Nazi ideas and others believe Germany is under military occupation...


    Germany's domestic intelligence agency attributes some 21,000 people to the Reichsbuerger (Citizens of the Reich) movement, with around 5% of them seen as far-right extremists.

    The House of Reuss had previously distanced itself from Heinrich, calling him a confused man who pursued conspiracy theories, according to local media.

    Germany's monarchy was abolished a century ago. When the Weimar Constitution entered into force on Aug. 14, 1919, the legal privileges and titles of German nobility were removed. Officially, there are no princes and princesses in Germany.
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    This sounds exactly like the hype about the "plot to kidnap Michigan Governor Whitchmer". That turned out to be a dud of a prosecution when it came out that the FBI were the primary instigators behind the "plot". I wonder if this German coup will turn out to be something similar. I note a lack of specific actions by the alleged coup participants. They "sought" and "wanted" and "were in contact with" and were "inspired by". OK, great, but what did they actually DO? Were they kitted up and staging down the street from the Reichstag when they were busted? Had they planted explosive devides somewhere? Set a date and a go/no-go codeword? Did they have blueprints of the building and assigned strike team members to cover certain exits? Or was this a few potheads sitting around on their couch joking about overthrowing Germany at the behest of their version of the FBI?
     
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    @Lil Mike ,@Lindis ,@Durandal ,@Hey Now ,@Reasonablerob

    To add on to my mention of nationalism, as a driving factor, this seems even more a manifestation of the reciprocal dynamic, of a revolting against Globalization, which itself can be further reduced, to a distrust of foreigners. Hence, we not only have mirroring plots, of insurrectionists, in America & Europe, but similar sentiments, inspiring both. In fact, in the Western Culture Forum, we already see a thread, demonizing immigrants into Europe, or at least the Western leaders ("elites"), who the OP alleges want to bring them into their countries (as opposed to the recent influx in immigrants, being due to refugees from conflicts in Syria, and in Ukraine).

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...e-really-bad-times-in-the-near-future.601648/


    These migrants, according to the OP, are going to get preferential treatment, as well as leave the German citizens, nothing to eat, but "bugs." To my mind, this is all attributable to fear of the unknown, and distrust of those who seem different from ourselves.
     
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    So your immediate instinct, without information to point you one way or the other, is to suspect that this is a government false flag operation? Very interesting. BTW, what the hell do you mean, that the prosecution of Witmer's kidnap plotters, turned out to be a dud? Of the 6 men brought to trial, 2 were acquitted, but not because the plot wasn't real! One received a four year prison sentence, one got six years, and the recommendation for the other two, being sentenced December 28th, is life imprisonment.

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdmi/pr/2022_0823_Fox_et_al

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    Remaining Defendants Convicted In Conspiracy To Kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer
    GRAND RAPIDS – A federal jury today convicted two men charged in connection with a conspiracy to kidnap the Governor of Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer.

    Adam Fox, of Wyoming, Michigan, and Barry Croft Jr., of Bear, Delaware, were found guilty of conspiracy to kidnap the governor and conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction against persons or property. Croft was additionally convicted of knowingly possessing an unregistered destructive device, specifically an improvised explosive wrapped in pennies for shrapnel.

    According to court documents and evidence presented at trial, Fox and Croft intended to kidnap Governor Whitmer from her vacation cottage near Elk Rapids, Michigan and use the destructive devices to facilitate their plot by harming and hindering the governor’s security detail and any responding law enforcement officers.

    “Today’s verdict confirms this plot was very real and very dangerous,” said former U.S. Attorney Andrew Birge for the Western District of Michigan, appointed to oversee the trial. “These men posed a threat not only to the Governor personally but also to bystanders. No elected leader should have to contend with what Governor Whitmer faced here. She deserves to live in safety, not in fear, just like everyone else in our State. All of our elected leaders deserve that, and the Justice Department will not tolerate violent extremist plots of this nature seeking to undermine our democracy”

    “These defendants believed their anti-government views justified violence,” said Special Agent in Charge James A. Tarasca of the FBI’s Detroit Field Office. “Today’s verdict sends a clear message that they were wrong in their assessment. Violence is never the answer. The FBI will continue to investigate anyone who seeks to engage in violence in furtherance of any ideological cause and hold them accountable.”

    Co-conspirator Ty Garbin was sentenced to six years in prison in August 2021 after pleading guilty to the original indictment charging him with conspiracy to kidnap Governor Whitmer. Co-defendant Kaleb James Franks also pleaded guilty to the conspiracy to kidnap charge in February 2022 and is awaiting sentencing. Co-defendants Daniel Joseph Harris and Brandon Michael-Ray Caserta were acquitted of charges at trial earlier this year.

    The kidnapping conspiracy and the conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction are punishable by up to life in prison. Possession of an unregistered destructive device and the possession of an unregistered short barrel rifle are each punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
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    I see no reason not to think that, not only the Michigan plot, but that this plot in Germany, was very real.
     
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    Is no one going to comment on Russia's having been contacted by this group, and apparently not having passed along word of it, to German authorities?
     
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    AKA another variation of The Great Replacement Theory. It apparently never gets old..
     
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    So you think this is all about migrants? I've not heard anything about that about the coup plotters. Are you getting that from somewhere or just inferring it?
     
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    "Q" is not only infecting the minds of the right in our county, it seems
     
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    In 2016 rebooted the Nazis, now they live as a world movement yet again

    Thanks Republicans
     
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    In 2014 the Nazis were rebooted, thanks to Joe Biden, Barack Obama, Victoria Nuland, John McCain, Lindsey Graham and a few more swamp rats. Now all the warmongers support them
     
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    John McCain is a Nazi?
     
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    The King of Greece attempted a coup in 1967 against the junta of the Colonels (he was encouraged by LBJ). Failed spectacularly.

    Supporters of 'King' Zog were also infiltreated into Albania in the late 40s & early 50s by US & British intelligence in hopes of sparking an uprising against the communist regime. Britain supported the restoration of the monarchy, though the US was less enthusiastic. Unfortunately for them Kim Philby was closely involved and everyone was rounded up & killed. Oops!
     
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    An interesting parallel, to be sure. No doubt that is due to the same miserable lies being pushed to EU and US audiences alike by the usual suspects.
     
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    I think Russia will have other interests than to help Germany.
     
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    Russia and Germany are currently in a state of rather open hostility towards each other. Germany has been supplying Ukraine with heavy weapons to kill Russians. Why in the **** would you expect the Russians to give Germany a heads up about this?
     
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