Human Flourishing Requires More Fossil Fuel Use, Not Less

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  1. Polydectes

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    The only hope for solar generation of power to ever succeed is for grid less power plants but this decentralization is something governments cannot allow. Independence reduces the power of the centralized government. They want you dependent on the grid.
     
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    Because you can't make the sun shine brighter or longer. So the amount of energy it can produce is finite and not enough.
    If it does save on that and produce equal output that's all there would be. Fueling power plants is the biggest cost. If you could collect sunlight and generate anywhere near the same amount of energy that would be all there was.

    You don't carry around refine and purchase fuel just for giggles.
     
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    Not your clearest post. Renewables can definitely power sizeable stuff and make a much larger contribution.
     
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    I'm not sure what renewables means because there's no such thing.

    But no a solar power plant has no hope ever of replacing a nuclear power plant. For one reason on the surface when it's dark a nuclear power plant can still produce power.
     
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    Renewablee energy is produced using natural resources that are constantly replaced and never run out.

    Combined solar power plant with a battery system and problem solved.

    There, that wasn't hard...
     
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    using alternative energy when possible gives us more fossil fuels for other things
     
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    I have said it before, when nuclear is safe enough to in the back yard of the rich, it will be considered safe by most

    let's build one behind Mar-a-Lago, see if any fears or push back
     
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    And what happens when it runs out Jack? You've asserted that it won't several times that I've noticed. Argued that it will never run out and is simply a matter of economics. What would be the economics of the last CMO left being in the KSA or the Tengiz oil field? Let me know your thoughts after you've read the Menlo Park boys book, will you please?
     
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    That is a bit…..not nice
     
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    Google up Thorium reactors
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02459-w
     
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    Where do you get the batteries from?
    Lithium requires strip mining which is very detrimental to the environment
     
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    You got to find a way to work Trump into every single thread don't you?
     
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    Lithium is to be replaced soon
     
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    do you think the sound of windmills causes cancer?

    btw, you mentioned Trump, not me

    the right always say they are safe, but they know the rich will not build them in their backyards due to safty concerns

    they could be safe, want to prove it to people, build one in the back yard of the rich, once that happens, we know they are safe
     
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    You're very confused, I did not mention Trump.
     
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    We're not going to run out.
    “Our supplies of natural resources are not limited in any economic sense. Nor does past experience give reason to expect natural resources to become more scarce. Rather, if history is any guide, natural resources will progressively become less costly, hence less scarce, and will constitute a smaller proportion of our expenses in future years.”
    ― Julian L. Simon
     
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    I lived in Africa for twelve years. In Nigeria there were no land line telephones because all the wire was stolen. That's just one example.
     
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    Governor Abbott was recently reelected with a substantial majority.
    Renewables and the Great Texas Blackout: Baker Institute Study Tiptoes to Key Causality
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    and consumption. The Texas grid needs less, not more, wind power (and solar power). ... only government failure in the quest to address market failure. There is analytic failure in identifying
     
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    you seem confused, as you certainly did, in fact the first in thread to mention his name you were
     
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    You brought up Mar-A-Lago and we all know who lives there and the thread had nothing to do with Trump's personal home.... But yet you brought it up.
     
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    just listing a rich place people know, you're the one that mentioned Trump by name

    I was talking about building nuclear power, then you distracted from that and wanted to talk about Trump

    maybe cause you know Trump would not be happy if they built a nuclear power plant next door - a guy that whines constantly about the sound of windmills causing cancer, probably gonna whine that nuclear power plants cause cancer
     
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    You bought the man up by bringing up his residence in a completely unrelated thread. Which you do in almost every thread you participate in. You got it really bad
     

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