POLICE BRUTALITY

The fact that they were wearing body cams and the social environment of bystanders videoing scenes like this you would think that most LEO would know better than to do something like this. The most important aspect of LE is to maintain your professional composure as much as possible. Maybe better training should be aimed at the psychology part of the job.

 

Maybe if whites of a certain persuasion weren't always making excuses for police brutality and corruption and telling blacks to just grin and be polite when a rogue cop confronts you, they wouldn't be making it a race issue.

 

I have no idea what you are thinking or are trying to prove.

The facts are the facts

1) There is racism in the U.S.
2) There are alpha males among men and they are often found among police
3) There is a general lack of caring in many people (promotes unfairness and injustice)
4) Every incident has its own issues but there are also issues that apply in general to most everything and they are part of all investigations

Your last statement is pure assumption on your part. Where there is racism, there is racism (as was proven in the Floyd case) and when there is no proof that there is racism, I do not assign racism to the event.

I am NOT a biased person at all. To me, everything is about data, facts, and information. I have always been very strict with myself about not thinking badly about someone until that person PROVES what his motives are. As such, you accusing me of being that type of person is totally wrong and shows how you think. You are the first to judge without proof.

 

There is NO evidence Floyd incident had anything to do with racism. It was a drugged up man, resisting arrest and the cop used excessive force. Just a bad cop doing bad things.

This is exactly my point, people will use the race card for gains. For the media, it's ratings, for BLM it's millions and millions of dollars and we have seen how their leaders have turned out to be frauds... Then you have the race pimps going to TV lying about how cops are racists, making a name for themselves. There is very little evidence to suggest cops are racists but no-one cares to look at FBI stats of arrests, assaults vs cops and how few blacks actually get killed...

You also prove my point, people care more about victims when the perpretrator is white and victim black, even if there is 0 evidence it was due to racism. This is why we will never fix anything..... by making everything about race, we confuse people. White on black is not a problem... black on black is a much larger problem but we deflect from it as no-one cares about intra-race, they care about inter-race issues. It's pathetic and also sinister as many want it this way for personal gain. Yes, BLM has made millions and millions by intimidating organizations to donate to them, accusing people of racism.. they look for the next white on black incident to make more millions. The people like Al Sharpton use Floyd for personal gain....

Tyre was beaten in worse fashion than Floyd and probably a better person than Floyd who was a druggie who at one point robbed a pregnant woman at gun point. He was no hero... but Derek Chauvin made him one by being white. Tyre will never reach the heights Floyd did post mortem because Demetrius, Tasarrius, Emmitt, Desmond, Justin are black.

 

Even though black cops on a black victim...racism.

The reality is as it's always been. It's a police training issue and police over worked. When you have to deal with a **** burger from the same group of people day in day out...you lose your patience in acting professionally.

 

So you're saying that the Theory that cops beat up black people because they are racists has been disproven. This "Race Theory" is obviously wrong. I mean, how in the world could black cops be racist against other black people, right?

Hmmm... Maybe we need to come up with a NEW Theory to explain why this keeps happening. One that is CRITICAL of this Race Theory, which you have proven wrong. Maybe we could call it... I don't know... Critical Race Theory?
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...g-race-theory-vs-critical-race-theory.607763/

 

You can't teach cops to care. They either have a soul or they don't. I don't know that better training would have prevented something like this. I think the pool for police candidates must be small. That means quality candidates aren't there like they should be. As so many of us have said, what man would even want to be a cop after the unnecessary crap thrown at ALL of them in the last few years. They're all presumed guilty of bad behavior by association. What GOOD man or woman needs to be profiled like that? So, society has created a mess. Good men and women are saying NO to policing. So, what are we left with? Less quantity and far less quality in the pool of candidates. These five have been on the force less than six years, a couple of them only two years.

As you know and if you remember, my oldest son, who was a chief of police in the Chicago area, retired early as a result of being lumped in with the bad cops. It was no longer a job he once loved but became a chore. The politics, all the way to top, the mayor prevented him from supporting his force which prevented them from policing the way they were trained.

Getting back
I just keep thinking FIVE cops against one civilian. What were they thinking? How could they think their brutal behavior was even okay? They knew they were breaking the law. They knew better. They didn't even care. I hope Memphis gives these shameless scumbags the maximum sentence. There is a special place in hell for cops like this. Kicking and stomping a defenseless Tyre in the head, punching him in the head. My God, how could they do this and call themselves an officer of the law? It defies logic.

 

The lying fake news media pumped the video release, all day, like it was the super bowl, and folks are tired of the lying divisive propaganda is the service the DNC

WELL, BYE: Nobody’s Watching: CNN Ratings Plunge Even Further — For Good Reason.



'News, news, news everywhere!'

'The new year — 2023 — is chockablock full of news: The war in Ukraine threatens to spread, the U.S. House of Representatives is ramping up investigations into the Biden administration, the president has been found to have reams of classified documents, Democrats are moving on gun control.'

'So you’d think that a news service, say, one that beams into nearly every house in America, would be rolling in ratings. But not so for CNN.'

The leftwing propaganda 'news network’s average primetime viewership plunged to just 444,000 viewers, according to TV Newser. How bad is that? Well, Fox News pulled in just under two million primetime viewers during that same week. And even more liberal MSNBC more than doubled CNN’s ratings, with 943,000 average primetime viewers.'

Fox soundly spanks the two combined.

 

That would be a lot more credible if it were true. If these 5 cops had been white, there would be mobs of angry blacks and riots everywhere, lynch mob mentality and outrages with a compliment of white sympathizers. As it is... the only outrage we see is coming from the police department itself. That, and some for the total elimination of the police altogether.
Blacks kill blacks at an astounding rate. Their overall murder rate is four times what it should be by population share. Black-on-black violence is the norm, not the exception- and the black community mostly looks the other way. IF these things were not seen differently, the reactions would be the same.

Fact is that what you say should be true, but isn't- and the big difference is in the way the black community reacts.

 

It is hard to imagine that these 5 had any professionalism, or significant patience and self-control, to lose, in the first place. Their "Scorpion" unit was tasked, specifically, with fighting violent crime, and was not even supposed to have any involvement with stops based solely on traffic issues. Hard to see, how anyone else can't see, that this is a case of predators merely picking out someone to victimize (unless one had some personal motivation, to target Nichols).

 

You don’t know this — that is an assumption made on your part. We only know what is happening. The police department opened an immediate investigation and invited state and federal agencies to do so, the five offered were immediately fired and not placed on an extended paid vacation, the officers were then arrested and charged.

Protesters have largely been calling for justice, that seems to be happening here and there are no riots.

This has f*** all with the OP or anything being discussed but it does expose your narrative as well as further proving my point.

Thanks for your opinion

 

Your reply completely misses the main point, because of your fixation on the racial dynamic. The reason that the oytrage-- which FYI, does still exist, even if you have not perceived it-- is so much less, than in previous instances, is because of the institutional reaction, to the incident. When was the last time, it was this swift? The officers were not put on paid leave, or even unpaid leave: they were immediately fired. And, owing to the clarity of the visual evidence, they have been already criminally charged, with serious crimes. These are the main differences, which your deficient analysis overlooks, completely.

Because of these differences-- pay attention, here-- the outrage is focused only against those 5 individual officers: not against a Police Department that seems, or is believed to be, trying to protect them; and not against a prosecutor's office which seems, or it is feared, will soft pedal any prosecution of the offenders, out of deference to the Police Department, with which it works, hand in glove, every day, in crime prosecution. So the difference is in protest against an entire, wide- reaching, institutional system, seen as corrupt, versus protest over a few corrupt individuals, in that system. The stark contrast in response is utterly due to the way that this incident has been addressed, by authorities, giving people assurance that there will be justice, in this case. The vastly different reaction, from the public, has little or nothing to do, with the race of the officers.

 

To be nonracial would mean looking at the facts and determining if the facts meet the criteria of a crime has occurred. We have been doing this. What happens usually is the sensationalism of the crime that occurred where it does become racial. The other problem is if a whole bunch of "white officers" beat the living crap out of a "white suspect" then sensationalism is not going to occur and the officers would still get fired and tried for violating the law.

The good news is that for most police officers who do their job to the best of their ability are lumped in with the officers who did this. And that should not happen. For any public servant, civil servant in the local, state, or federal service, who violates the law, then that should not be the generalization of the whole group. And that is where the real problem occurs. People like to lump everyone into a single group such as threads that "blacks are twice as likely to commit hate crimes" or "all police officers are white supremicists" or "all police departments encourage police brutality" has to stop and look at each case individually. That is the key.

 

So the racist cop narrative is on pause temporarily for this story?

 

I've read that us police and particularly the Minneapolis police were trained by the Israeli military in use of excessive force.

 

Apparently not so, for your anti-racist cop response. So maybe you should put those pat replies of yours, on pause, and try contributing something applying to this particular event (which is the thread's subject), as opposed to more thumping of your grand concept, explaining the workings of the liberal mind and how, according to your narrative, that manifests, in its real-life effects.

 

These cops are not humans, they are animals.

There's no way you watched the video and came to this conclusion.

 

IF you don't know this- you haven't been following the news for the last 10 years. You missed George Floyd and Minneapolis? I doubt it. Selective denial is hogwash.
The Minneapolis event could very well have been negligence in administering an approved restraint, and that cop's doing 18 years in prison after a trial where they had to barricade the courthouse against the mobs, but wouldn't grant a change of venue. This case is outright documented violent assault without any justification. The police are taking the right actions- but if these cops had been white, the event over Gorge Floyd would be a walk in the park by comparison. Assumption? Yes. You assume that if you stand in the rain, you will get wet? About the same level of confidence, because past history proves it.

 

You pointed out the clarity of reaction, and that is indeed doing a lot to hold the lid on it. But if you think things wouldn't be dramatically different if those cops were white- you are on some other planet.

 

Please clarify.

Who's claiming to be a victim here?

Thanks,

 

sadly, this is what most cops are like. There is literally MILLIONS of YouTube videos with footage of police brutality in USA from the last few years alone. It is more common than liberals like yourself are willing to admit to.

 

Methinks theres a link between the mentality that is morewilling to just follow orders and enforce bureaucracy even when it doesnt fit the situation, and a tendency toward unnecessary violence. It could be that by passing over people who can respond to strange situations creatively because that creativity tends to lead to not always following procedure, we're tending to get a certain type of cop that we dont really want. Just a theory.

 

You would like to believe that- I don't. What gets publicity is what forms many people's views, but nobody ever reports on the good people, the job they do- and not just cops but everywhere. The media loves outrage, because that pushes ratings, and rating push revenue. If you let what you see online form your overall view of any group, you will be looking at a great distortion, not at facts. I've known and worked with a lot of cops, trained many in areas of my special skills. Never met one I felt had any serious degree of distortion. Have known one ex-cop that was seriously racist, but he was old school and out to pasture.

Cops have to deal with the whole spectrum of behavior. They have to be capable of handling deadly combative situations; of shifting emotional gears instantly to deal with whatever happens. They have to be able to maintain their cool and perspective in all situations, including hostile ones- and that is something a lot of people cannot manage to do, thus shouldn't be cops- but some are. When the community makes a police career a very unappreciated one, it becomes harder to find applicants, and the quality drops. Every time a good cop gets called a pig- his reason to have faith in the character and quality of the citizens he works for is tested. You can see that happening too in the videos and reports online.

How much abuse would you take before you became hardened and intolerant? Not trying to excuse the cops in this case, just pointing out the conditions that cops have to deal with everyday, and how it affects them.Generally, anyone who treats a cop with respect gets treated with respect. Once they become abusive- they have shifted the state of the situation.

 

As @cd8ed has already pointed out, your predictions of what would be occurring, if certain details were different-- not to take anything away, from your intimate understanding of the black American, community psyche-- is nothing but speculation, devoid of any means of substantiation (since we have no example, of white cops being treated in this definitive a fashion, in another, as obvious, an instance of police brutality). IOW, there is no way to know, how a change in the racial component, would have affected the reaction, we are so far seeing. Interestingly, though, in your assumption of this being such a disproportionate factor, you are demonstrating the same sort of stereotyping of people, based on a racial element, which is the very thing that your argument is purportedly criticizing.

 

My eyes don't lie.

You must think the MILLIONS OF VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE OF POLICE BRUTALITY IN AMERICA are deepfakes.

Your tin hat looks cute but a bit too tight perhaps