POLICE BRUTALITY

The Israelis have been training USA police lately. There has been a marked increase of police aggression towards black folks too. Coincidence?

 

WITH WHOM ARE MANY U.S. POLICE DEPARTMENTS TRAINING? WITH A CHRONIC HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATOR – ISRAEL

https://www.amnestyusa.org/with-who...-with-a-chronic-human-rights-violator-israel/

 

^^apparently organised by the ADL (a white supremacist organization)

 

It's obvious to anyone without an anti-cop bias that these deadly incidents are a miniscule few in the context of tens of thousands of police/citizen encounters. per day. Members of every community are far more likely to face death from other members of their own community than from police officers. Maybe the real problem is personal behavior of the public.

 

Not most, but very few. It is those few that give all cops a bad name unfortunately.

 

Your comment is as general as mine! Why are you right and I'm wrong?

The relentless uploads on YouTube and news stories every other day of police brutality would indicate that there is a very serious institutional problem within the PD.

Do you at least agree that there is a very real institutional problem of police brutality?

 

Whats your source on that? Seems like something I expect I wouldve heard about. But you never know...

edit: i just saw where u posted it. That is weird... right about the time there was a noticeable pushback to the 'shoot first' curriculum DHS is (was?) putting many of our agencies through.

 

What's that curriculum you're referring to? Can you explain further plz (UK resident here)

 

Numbers, facts and circumstances, etc. there is a huge difference when a suspect points a gun or what appears to be a gun at a police officer and what happened to Trye Nichols.

 

It all stems from the 'not my emergency' philosophy of emergency response. Dont speed to get to an active violent crime, dont rush into an unsafe scene, shoot if you merely suspect an armed attacker. Because you wont be able to save others if you get hurt this time. But really its an effort to reduce on the job injuries (and thus budget requirements) at the cost of public safety (injured/dead civilians cost nothing unless theres a lawsuit). So DHS wastraining cops to shoot as an instinctial reaction to percieved danger rather than as a calculated response to confirmed danger. Prolly still are. And to be fair, its a good call ...if you're focus is immediate injury/cost reduction. Not agreat call if the focus is overall effective policing in the long term.

 

It was a bunch of black thugs. I'm talking about the five black officers.

They messed up big time! I noticed they lost their jobs and were fired from being cops, meaning they don't have a badge to hide behind anymore.

What do we know about how the world works? These black men will see "justice" visited on them in the end. The justice system has a way of doing that in the end, but it won't be visible in the public eye. Long after the spotlight on this story fades, somewhere in the justice system, towards the end of the long, snail-paced journey, there's a reckoning waiting - whatever form that will take.

 

Nothing requires you to recognize the obvious.

 

Nor you. But the thing that is obvious, to me, is that: what is obvious to one person, is not necessarily what is "obvious" to others. Your disagreeing with me, here, with what is obvious, is a case in point, for my argument. IOW, anyone can say that something is "obvious," but this is no stronger of an argument, than one's stating anything else, in their own opinion.

 

Millions? Or a much smaller number, repeated millions of times? That's how people's perceptions get formed- they hear it or see it enough times the think it must be true.
The FBI crime stats in America document that a white person is 42 times more likely to be assaulted by a black person than a black person is to be assaulted by a white person.
That's not form youtube- it's from the US Bureau of Justice Statistics.

You don't see publicity on that, because- it puts the black community in a bad light, and we're trying to convince them, by pretending otherwise- that they don't really behave as they do.
I have no idea why anybody thinks that will improve things, but that is what's happening.

It's politically incorrect to talk about things like this right now- and in many places, it's blocked. But- it's legit. Here's something else from the same not-you-tube source:

2018 Bureau of Justice Stats: Blacks Committed 90% of Violent Felonies Between Blacks & Whites
The Washington Standard / September 28, 2019

You having trouble figuring out who to call the victims?

Lots more documentation available if you are still confused.
Now you no doubt think I'm racist or at least anti-black.
Wrong. I'm anti violent, irresponsible people who prey on others and refuse to behave like decent human beings and refuse to accept responsibility for their own behavior..

 

You are entitled to be wrong. You are entitled to ignore opinions, of course. But why would you ignore documenting evidence from the most highly reliable sources, and make excuses for it and the behavior it documents?
WHY would you do that?

 

Better question: Why would you suggest that I was doing any such thing? Are you operating under the delusion that you have provided "document(ed) evidence from the most highly reliable sources?"

Do you see those "sources," in your post, quoted above?^^^

How about, in your last post:
spiritgide said: ↑
Nothing requires you to recognize the obvious.


Ohhh-- so you are calling yourself, one of "the most reliable sources?"

LOL. Good one.


No, really-- I'm sure, in your opinion, your reliability is obvious.

 

I think you are looking at how statistics work Spiritgide. The statistics that you are showing are not that Blacks commit 90% of the crime. It is that blacks commit crimes against other blacks 90% of the crime. It has to do with the association here,. Second, the link you provided does not show what you are claiming, at least when I clicked on the link.

Third, this is the actual study. If you look at Tables 4 and 5, whites commit the majority of violent crimes followed by blacks. And if you follow Table 6, whites are more likely, 90% more likely to be repeat offenders of violent crimes. Blacks are at 76%.

 

pal, don't even go there unless you want to be schooled...

be careful with stats..

of course whites commit more crime as they are around 60%+ of population. Blacks are only 13%. But here's where you need to be careful. Look at what % of violent crime is committed by blacks.... for all violent crime, they are overrepresesented. I posted a thread with very detailed stats that may be eye opening for you... i'll find it. Take homicide, blacks have historically committed around 50% of all murders and they are only 13% of population! this is beyond belief, almost unbelievable. Similar stats can be found for other violent crimes...

careful with how you present stats, don't be lazy

 

esau has no idea what he's talking about..... very radical and has crazy stats. He only has to spend 30 mins looking up FBI stats and see that there are millions of arrests a year, thousands of assaults against cops and only around 15-20 unarmed blacks killed a year. He's too lazy to that so he will tell you there are 'millions' of videos... he also has never seen cops being killed, plenty of videos out there...

 

ok maybe not millions but there are hundreds of videos uploaded weekly on YouTube of police brutality in USA. Every other day on the MSM we see another case of a thug cop beating up a black woman. This is going backwards, fast. It's like some kind of masochistic stuff for real.

 

The "reliable source" is the FBI crime statistics data and the US Department of Justice. Got any thing that's more reliable?

 

youtube videos and posters like esau who claim there are millions of videos of police brutality are his sources..

 

Fully agree.
Truly, and I am asking you to prove it, has anyone ever said anything else?

 

IF behaviors are equal- blacks would be committing 13% of crime, which is their percentage share of population. In EVERY category of felony crime, their share is at a minimum- twice that. In the case of murder, four times that.

There's hundreds of pages of FBI stats you can look at, but here's one on percentages, of arrests (there are others just on convictions).
Note the highlighted column, Black or African Americans. If crime shares were equal- those numbers would all be around 13%. Arson is the lowest one- at 25.1%, very close to double.
Murder- 53.3%, more than 4X. Robbery 54.2%.

So let's not pretend there's no evidence for rampant levels of crime in the black community. And it's not just a little worse. If we somehow didn't have have a black community, our overall crime rate would drop to historic low percentages. Yes, you can argue if this or that statement is more or less accurate or stated without proper qualification. But- you can go over a hundred such pages of data and the bottom line is the same- seriously bad, with some variables, but not one conflicts with the general conclusion.

White people aren't creating those numbers- black people are. By choice. It's not questionable or deniable except by those unwilling to deal with reality. That is also the justification for not dealing with it.
The numbers damage the image of all black people, the quality blacks, not just the criminals. They are the ones being hurt. They are also the ones not speaking out; pretending it doesn't matter.

And I'm not trying to distort anything at all here- I'm trying to say that if we refuse to recognize and deal with truth, we can't fix anything because we are lying to ourselves, and that is a stupid thing to do.

Well.... seems like PF has decided the form is "too long" to post.... even though it's small. Funny how that seems to occur on things containing data like this. But-
For those who are in doubt, let's just indicate the source link. Look for yourself.


https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43/table-43a.xls

 

Of course you see that on MSM. They're pushing an agenda. What matters, and it makes no difference if you like it or not, is the truth. If you can't get a firm grip on the truth, you can understand the issues and have no idea how to construct a way to deal with the problems. We have media literally focusing on one side of an issue because their competition is focusing on the other side. The truth gets buried in that process- but this is happening because people themselves are refusing to acknowledge facts they don't want to hear. If anything- what I want to see for the black community is that it's biggest need is to improve it's own standards of acceptable conduct, and only they can do so. They are literally doing themselves a lot of harm, and that is nothing the white community can change. This isn't prejudice or imagination, it's solid facts. I wish that were not true, but it is.