UN experts condemn renewed violence and Israeli killings of Palestinians

Your attempt to analogize our response to these two situations ignores so many differences, and realities, that it is hard to take it seriously. I do see Israel as the party, most in the wrong, here. But this world does not have a "justice fairy," allowing people to disregard their own need to be proactive, on their own behalf. The Palestinians are living in an Apartheid state. If they were to change their disposition, from insistence on their own independent state, to asking only for the rights of any Israeli citizen, they would be in a vastly stronger bargaining position, and it would be all but impossible for the world-- particularly Western democracies-- to ignore the situation, as they currently do. What allows our own inaction, is the ability to frame this conflict as both a complicated situation, as well as something the Palestinians & Israelis must work out, between themselves. But there would be nothing complex, about Palestinians asking only to be treated as other Israeli citizens. This, combined with a ceasing of their feckless, terrorist tactics, would completely change how the dynamic is now viewed.

There is more to this argument, but I don't want to give you too much to chew on, all at once. So let's just start with that absolutely clear truth: if Palestinians were treated as Israeli citizens, their lot would be improved by several hundred percent, almost immediately. So, pragmatically speaking, this is the far more intelligent tack, for them to take. It is irrelevant to say that Israeli politicians would not want the Palestinians to be citizens-- nor do they want to give Palestine, its own state, as agreed to in the OSC documents (Organization for Security Cooperation), of the early 1990s. Yet, it is a fantasy, that outside powers would ever go into Israel and force any kind of land division, of which Israel did not approve. But taking a stand against Apartheid, against racism, against the treatment of Palestinians which flies in the face of international conventions, and of democratic standards, is another matter. Those Palestinians, however, can only be viewed as a population, suffering in a deeply discriminatory system, if they are seen as belonging to, that system-- as opposed to being seen as terrorists, or as a people who, eventually, are going to have their own, independent nation and so, for now, are only in "transition."

To cut to the chase, if Israel was unambiguously cast, to the people of the world, as a violator of its own citizens' human rights, then Israel could be forced to change things, in the same way that South Africa was, although its leaders had, likewise, been against sharing power with their black population. And Israel is far more reliant on U.S. military aid, than was South Africa. Also, I believe that international tourism is even more important to Israel's economy, than it was to South Africa's. IOW, the world would have a tremendous amount of leverage, which Israeli politicians could not ignore, if world governments were determined to use that leverage. But that would require a huge public outcry (as was heard in the South African situation); and that would require world citizens to see Palestinians as only the victims, here, not as co-combattants.

The great irony is-- because Israeli politicians would be so against, allowing Palestinians to vote in Israeli elections-- the dropping of the call of Hammas & the PLO, for their own state, would be the tactic most likely to get them, their own state, as this would likely be considered preferable, to giving political power, to Palestinians. And, of course, if instead they did receive voting rights, they could elect enough Palestinian legislators, to pass a plan that would then, split the Israeli state, into two states, or perhaps make the Palestinian part, an "Autonomous region," as was Crimea, w/in Ukraine (or somewhat the way that Quebec has become more a more independent province, of Canada). No one but the Palestinians, though, can take that first step, which leads to all these beneficial outcomes for themselves.

 

We agree on much of what you say ... no idea why you were complaining about the OP though ... what part of the analogy didn't you understand ? "missing key differences" --- what did you expect in an OP .. a Novel ?

You missed the point being made .. and fail to address that point .. which is the US foreign Policy Hypocrisy....

"Should we give the Palestinians weapons too" ? and so what if there is differences between the two situations .. -- there is differences in every situation .. the question is if they are relevant and you have not shown any that are relevant to the hypocrisy .. that mitigate the hypocrisy. . which is why I think you missed something.

These situations are the same in the ways that matter .. Annexation of territory belonging to someone else .. .occupation of said territory - persecution and making war on those people.. "Freedom fighters" bravely fighting the aggressor nation.

In both cases the land grab violates international Law .. the same in almost all the ways that matter (you failing to come up with the almost part)

What part of the "Throwing out the rule book" analogy do you not understand ? done in both cases .. violating international law .. the US ignoring such violations in wild flailing hypocrisy .. even unto itself as there were administrations who did call out Israeli violations in the past.

Kosovo - same thing ... albeit this was slightly different .. having the UN partially on board .. but still violating the rules as was not enough on board for legitimacy.. China and Russia exercizing Veto.

Told any that would listen many times .. this be bad karma -- "Do as we say - Not as we do" foreign Policy .. gonna come back to bite .. and did come back to bite .. Russia now crossing the line and engaging in annexation albeit with far more justification that existed in the Kosovo annexation.

So then .. if the freedom fighters in Ukraine can be armed against a foreign aggressor .. why not freedom fighters in Palestine ? .. where is the US condemnation of this aggression ? Thats an ugly sight to watch .. hypocrisy and doublespeak of Orwellian proportions. .. not good for our Reputation ..

 

It is not about cheering for the Palestinians .. That would be a somewhat moronic misrepresentation fallacy.

The claim that Israel are "Good Guys" .. such that mass atrocity is justified ... is unsubstantiated and unclear.

Are you saying Israel are 1) Good guys in every instance ? or 2) Good guys in general ... our favorites ? for some unsubstantiated reasons.

1) that Israel are "good guys" in every instance is preposterously false nonsense .. something only someone completely ignorante of the situation might say..

so I am guessing/hoping it is not that.. my apologies in advance if so.

2) How does Israel being "Good guys" in general... your side .. your favorite .. justify the mass atrocity - war crimes - crimes against humanity - Violations of international law comitted by Israel over this many decade long blood fued ?

having trouble finding sense in this argument. do explain - give some support and clarity to this apparently absurd position. ?

 

Please don't misattribute quotes to me that I never made.

Have never written or even thought: " ‘Jews are bad, Arabs are good’ "
I've spent plenty of time around both and feel that such generalizations are neither accurate nor productive.

Additionally, all Jews are not like the genocidal Zionist terrorist Gangs responsible for the Nakba. Most Jews are kind, decent and intelligent people but there are grasping, cruel and violent members of every ethnic / religious / national group.

In spite of all the obfuscation concerning the machinations of the Colonial powers and the persecution of Jews elsewhere, the net result is that foreign born Levantine Jews almost immediately turned from being the persecuted to being ruthless persecutors.

As I have mentioned before, you are not supporting your arguments by relying on the unreliable(1) and Zionist dominated Wikipedia(2), (3). This is not just my opinion because even Wikipedia admits that it is unreliable(1).

Yes, I know that almost anyone can inject their bias into Wikipedia but only Israel has thousands of Hasbara trolls that are paid by the government to saturate Wikipedia with Right Wing Zionist propaganda. It is also revealing that Wikipedia's owners / CEOs go to Israel more frequently than I go to the bathroom.

In one way, the Palestinian - Israeli conflict is simple.
Until the late 1800s, Palestine was mostly Arab and remained so well into the 1900s.

Through the McMahon Agreement, the British agreed to give Palestine to the Arabs in exchange for their help in fighting the Ottoman Turks.
The Arabs fulfilled their part of the agreement which was then abrogated by the the British after considerable pressure from British Zionist lobbies who imposed the Balfour Declaration.
Palestine's native residents who were disorganized, out gunned and outnumbered resisted the foreign machinations that led to the taking of land they had inhabited for generations.

Yes, a small percent of the land was bought but the vast majority of Arab land was criminally seized in violation of international law.

Various peace plans come and go but the better armed Israelis continued to seize more Arab land under Israel's "Provoke then Massacre" strategy:

"Moshe Dayan, in his diaries said: "Our strategy was always to provoke the Arabs and get an appropriate response so we could attack and smash them."

http://www.sott.net/signs/signs154.htm


Peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians has been made impossible due to unconditional and unlimited US aid to Israel regardless of Israeli violation of international law. Because Israel is rewarded regardless of its war crimes and land theft, they have absolutely no interest in making the concessions necessary for peace.

Since Israeli media is far more objective than US media when it comes to Middle East reporting, it is not afraid to declare that: "Israel Does Not Want Peace" (4).
By "Israel", the author, of course, does not mean all Israelis because there are numerous peace seeking individuals and peace groups in Israel who are even more discouraged with the recent election of the most Right Wing Israeli government ever.

If history is any indicator, the US will continue to do both Americans and Israeli citizens a great disservice by unconditionally supporting anything that Netanyahu does.

The only way that peace stands a chance is if the US were to initiate an even handed Mid East policy and stop rewarding criminal behavior on either side.

What do you think?

Thanks,



(1) "Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a reliable source"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip...elsewhere on,in progress, or simply incorrect.

EXCERPT "Wikipedia is not a reliable source for citations elsewhere on Wikipedia. As a user-generated source, it can be edited by anyone at any time, and any information it contains at a particular time could be vandalism, a work in progress, or simply incorrect." CONTINUED


(2) “Zionist Control of WikiPedia”
http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/at...ls-the-media/429-zionist-control-of-wikipedia

EXCERPT “And as shown in our section on Google, this Internet search-engine is well in the hands of Zionist Jews and also cooperates openly with Zionist organizations such as ADL and the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) to control the searches and censoring information and certain sites.

This means that apart from Wikipedia other sites may be censored when Googling any given subject.” CONTINUED


(3) "The right's latest weapon: 'Zionist editing' on Wikipedia" Haaretz"

https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2010/08/the-rights-latest-weapon-zionist-editing-on-wikipedia-haaretz.html

EXCERPT"Now the Yesha Council of settlements and another right-wing group, Israel Sheli, are embarking on a Wikipedia battle: Zionist editing on the Web-based encyclopedia.

The course was designed to teach how to register for, contribute to and edit for Wikipedia."CONTINUED


(4) "Israel Does Not Want Peace"
http://www.haaretz.com/peace/1.601112

EXCERPT "Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone

Israel does not want peace. There is nothing I have ever written that I would be happier to be proved wrong about. But the evidence is piling up. In fact, it can be said that Israel has never wanted peace – a just peace, that is, one based on a just compromise for both sides.

The single most overwhelming item of evidence of Israel’s rejection of peace is, of course, the settlements project. From the dawn of its existence, there has never been a more reliable or more precise litmus test for Israel’s true intentions than this particular enterprise. In plain words: The builders of settlements want to consolidate the occupation, and those who want to consolidate the occupation do not want peace. That’s the whole story in a nutshell."CONTINUED

 

Any serious discussion of Israel/Palestine begins with acknowledging the relative power dynamics between Hamas and Likud:

https://www.juancole.com/2014/08/charter-destruction-palestinian.html

"Since virtually every comment on Hamas in American media includes the assertion that the group’s Charter rejects Israel’s right to exist, it’s worth noting the following from the Likud Platform of 1999:

a. "'The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.'

b. "'Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel.
The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem'

c. "'The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.'

d. "'The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.'"

 

Well, I looked on Likud internet page and didn't find the platform you quoted:
https://www.likud.org.il

So were I can find it?

 

Which part of the extremist Zionist platform of Likud were you in doubt ?

not sure whats on official likud site but this should answer every question

Benjamin Netanyahu's new Israeli government will make West Bank expansion a priority
https://www.npr.org/2022/12/29/1145...ernment-will-make-west-bank-expansion-a-prior

Quit the crew this group .. Facist Zionist extremists would be a polite way to put it.

 

The Israeli Jews are in their own country. It is the palestinians that want to avoid the jews and refuse to live with them. All those lands were won by Israel in the six day war. There is no Palestine and hasn't been one since the British gave it up to the jews in 1945. Palestinans live in Israel, not their own country.

 

They aint. East Jerusalem, Golan and the West Bank aren't Israel, and it's crawling with Israeli Jewish terrorists. And the self proclaimed government of the Jew is aiming to put more of their terrorists on other people's land. And about the entire Israeli Jewish population is in on sending their terrorists to other peoples lands to squat. It is so, because it's done in their name, they voted it to be for decades on end, and join the military -massively- to get the blood on their hands and make it happen.

 

I didn’t say you wrote - ‘Jews are bad, Arabs are good’ it is an attitude of some people who see only a good side of one party and a bad side of other party, for example in Israel the most prevalent attitude is ‘Jews are good, Arabs are bad’. For such people I advise to skip Jewish or Arab propaganda and to learn history from academic or semi-academic (like Wikipedia) sources.

Many people, especially from the left instead saying ‘‘Jews are bad, Arabs are good’ prefer to say ‘Zionists are bad, Arabs are good’, which means exactly the same.
The is no official Zionist party, there are many parties which call themselves ‘Zionists’ and many people call themselves ‘Zionists’, even people involved in Israeli NGO who protest against Palestinians discrimination consider themselves Zionists.

‘Zionists’ you can compare to ‘Leftists’ or ‘Rightists. Leftists were communists mass murderers, Democrats are considered Leftists and many American intellectuals consider themselves Leftists.
Rightists were fascist mass murderers in Spain or in some countries in South America. Republicans are considered Rightists and many American intellectuals consider themselves Rightists.
So saying ‘genocidal Zionist terrorist Gangs’ is the same as to say that Dos Erres Masacre was done by Rightists terrorists gangs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dos_Erres_massacre

And was what the Nakba? It was Jewish-Arab/Palestinian war where the official aim Palestinians and invading Arab armies was destroying the Jewish state, which was recognized by United Nations.
Arabs got rid of 100% Jews from territories they conquer, Jews got rid of some:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian_exodus

I am not sure about what persecutions you are talking. The fact is that Arabs in Israel have more rights than in other Arab countries. Just to remind you:
Israeli president Moshe Katzav was sentenced by Arab judge.
Arabs have their own parties in Israeli parliament (Knesset) and I can bring more examples.

Yes, I am aware of this argument that Wikipedia is dominated by - according to you - by Zionists and according to some of my friends by anti Semites. They show me unreliable Wikipedia pages created by anti Semites like:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Morris
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

I can give you the same advise I gave to my friends – if you think a fact showed by Wikipedia is false, try to find sources not dominated by Zionists/anti Semites. Wikipedia always shows the sources of their articles.

And please, you show me from where you got information that Israel has thousands of Hasbara trolls that are paid by the government to saturate Wikipedia with Right Wing Zionist propaganda – I will be very happy to make some extra shekels by saturating Wikipedia with Right Wing Zionist propaganda – I added some content to Wikipedia, but unfortunately nobody paid me, worse, from time to time I donate money to Wikipedia, because I think it is very important institution. And I feel sorry for your urinary problems.

As to Palestinian Israeli conflict – when Palestine was first occupied by Ottoman Empire, next by England, Jews immigrated there. Jews emigration to Palestine was the result of European pogroms and discrimination and after WWII after the Holocaust. Up to 1947 no land was stolen, Jews LEGALLY purchased every piece of land. And then there was a war, Jews stole the land from which Arabs were expelled or run away and Arabs stole the land from which Jews were expelled or run away. Yes, I know, Jews won, it means Jews stole more land from Arabs that Arabs stole from Jews.

Is peace between Israel and Palestinians possible? I believe it is. If Israel could make peace with Germany, it is a proof that peace between Israel and Palestinians is possible. Both sides need to compromise, but currently I don’t both sides are ready. Saddat made peace with Israel, and was murdered. When Israel tried to make peace with Palestinians, Hamas sent suicide bombers to Israeli cities to stop peace negotiation and they succeded. Arafat was publicly criticizing suicide bombers, but with meeting with his supporters he was praising them. Rabin tried to make a peace – and was murdered too,

I am not very optimistic, especially after the latest elections in Israel, but maybe I am wrong. When Begin won elections in Israel in 1977 everyone expected that after years leftist government he will improve Israeli economy, but he will bring a war – and totally opposite happened – he destroyed Israeli economy (inflation was over 400%) and made peace with Egypt.

 

Yes, this is what Natenyahu is promising to his faithful, but meantime he removes illegal settlements:
https://www.ourmidland.com/news/article/Removal-of-West-Bank-outpost-tests-Israel-s-new-17730644.php

 

What do you mean "But meantime" .. Removing the settlements is what he is promising.

playing mind games with yourself.

 

The difference in our perspectives, is that I guess you are looking at this, as if it were hypothetically occurring, in a perfect world, without hypocrisy, without even any who look at things, through a lens of personal interest.

I, OTOH, tend to look at things pragmatically. Israel has long been the U.S.'s top ally, in the Middle East. This Palestinian situation did not, just develop. It seems a pointless exercise, both to blame our now deceased leaders, for their roles which led to our current state of affairs, as well as to expect our current leaders to proceed as if all the intervening time, with all of its intervening events, had not passed. We are where we are, now, and that is the place, from which we must proceed. We are not going to treat our close ally, Israel, the way we treat Russia. One would need be detached from reality, to believe that we would.

Factually speaking, the situations are not identical, in very basic ways. For one important difference: Ukraine is a sovereign nation; Palestine is not, and honestly, it never had been! As you correctly alluded, Britain is the one who screwed the pooch, here. But, as I had pointed out, any people must be responsible for their own part, in their situation. As I assume you know, Israel did-- far back at the beginning of this mess-- offer Palestinians their own state, carved out of the lands currently under Israeli control. It was the best deal they were ever likely to see; and Palestinians voted it down, largely due to the exhortations of an exiled Palestinian leader, broadcasting to them, with NAZI approval.

They should have taken Israel's offer, when they'd had the chance; but Palestinians have not been viewing things pragmatically, either.

 

I think you lost third base out in right field mate...arrived at a different ball - park. Who told you the situation needs to be identical in order to be a violation of international law ? Won't address the silly "turned down the deal" nonsense as it is not relevant either.

You clearly missed what was being said ... as you are making no logical sense .. way down some rabbit hole of your own creation. The point here is about throwing out the rule book.

It is not about some specific country like the US .. "their our friends" .. thats doesn't alleiviate the hypocrisy .. that is the hypocrisy .. that we do for our friends differently than those who are not.

The point of having a rule book is that everyone follow it . .. both the ones we like and ones we don't . Can be China .. or Russia ... or Iran giving heavy weapons to freedom fighters .. be it in Palestine .. Ukraine .. or Syria.

If its ok for one nation to do it .. its ok for another .. and Paddy .. Israel didn't just annex land from the Palestinians .. from Syria .... and Nato annexed Kosovo ..

Missed the boat on what international law is all about ... "Do as we say - not as we Do" foreign policy don't cut it no more.

 

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party

"The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."

 

Zionists who collaborated with Nazis were "fundamental partners" with those responsible for the Holocaust.

 

Sorry, that is 100% incorrect. When the surrounding states attacked Israel in 1967, the Iraeli military pushed them back out of Israel and captured the territories used to drive them out. Syria, Jordan and Egypt lost those territories. There was and is no Palestine. Sorry. Let the Palestinians fight the truth. There is little point in you doing it.

 

There we go, an anti semitic distraction.

 

Of course not.

 

If you arm the the Palestians you are picking a side and cheering them on.

Palestinians society is corrupt, foundated in Hamas, totaltarian and lawless. Why would you want that side to win this war? Which is what this is...a war. Palestians will never allow Israel to live in peace...their agenda..as Hamas has stated..is to erase it.

Israel is the only middle eastern democracy, flourishes economically, offers innovation and benefits to the world on the whole and shares our western values of a society based on laws and standards of freedom.

Why do you want to erase that?

I've never understood this hatred towards Israel. It makes no sense. Advocating to aid Hamas in their fight to destroy Israel ....is interesting because free people's everywhere wouldn't want to live in a Palestian society but they would flourish in Israel.

 

US support for Israel would seem to violate its alleged concern for preventing rogue states from acquiring weapons of mass destruction:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symin...ic, and,with IAEA regulations and inspections.

 

Nope! Arabs who collaborated with Nazis were "fundamental partners" with those responsible for the Holocaust.

 

Yes, it was true more than 40 years ago.

 

I don't want to write another lengthy Post outlining Israel's internationally condemned UN Violations, human rights abuses and blatant land theft when simply looking at a map of Palestine shows how Israelis have managed to steal land over the years and persecute Palestine's native residents.

I don't know how old you are or what you have been taught in Israeli schools but the Nakba was no more of a war than the Holocaust was. It was the deliberate massacre, rape and mutilation of Palestinian men women and children by Zionist terrorist gangs: Irgun, Lehi and / or Haganah who drove about 850,000 Palestinians from their homes and seized their land just as Germany's National Socialists / Nazis did to many of its Jews.
If you have been taught that the Nakba was a "war" and that Israelis "bought" the stolen land, you have been done a disservice by Israel's education system.

I was hoping that you would comment on Israel's "Provoke-then-Massacre" strategy(1) that has been used, effectively, to seize all of Palestine except Gaza and parts of the West Bank.
Civilians from all over Palestine who had their property confiscated were herded into a squalid open air prison called Gaza. Of course people are going to resist while living with the same history and under such dismal conditions.
Wouldn't you resist after over 70 years of occupation.

During previous discussions we have discussed Wikipedia and the degree to which it is heavily influenced by paid Hasbara advocates,(2), (3) other Right Wing Israeli extremists and has a gross pro Israel bias.
I don't understand why you would rely almost exclusively on a source that describes itself as "unreliable". (2), (3)
I don't think that even Wikipedia would claim that all of the occupied Palestinian land was bought, legally.

It is only my opinion but I think that you would benefit from using a wider variety of sources than just one that is unreliable by its own admission.

Earlier, you seemed to doubt that the Israeli government pays an army of thousands of paid Hasbara advocates so I included two sources to support that assessment.

I know that I may sound like I am anti Israel but it's not that simple. I'm sure that Israelis are no different than anyone else but they are, to some degree, defined by the the conflict.
It seems like there is at least the perception that the Israeli's are the oppressive occupier because Israel is one of the least popular countries in the world (4). I'm afraid that Netanyahu's new, extreme right wing regime is not going to help Israel's popularity and I feel that the Israeli people deserve better than what Netanyahu & his extremists have planned.

Actually, I had hoped to go to Israel when I was in the region but got caught up. in the 1973 War.

I hope you are safe and well.

Thanks,





(1) "Moshe Dayan, in his diaries said: "Our strategy was always to provoke the Arabs and get an appropriate response so we could attack and smash them."

http://www.sott.net/signs/signs154.htm


(2) "How Israel and its partisans work to censor the Internet"
https://israelpalestinenews.org/israel-partisans-work-censor-internet/

EXCERPT "As it turns out, Israel and Israeli institutions employ armies of Internet warriors—from Israeli soldiers to students—to spread propaganda online and try to get content banned that Israel doesn’t want seen.

Israel and partisans of Israel have long had a significant presence on the Internet, working to promote the Israel narrative and block facts about Palestine, the Israel lobby, and other subject matter they wish covered up.

In addition to these, however, a number of orchestrated, often well-funded projects sponsored by the Israeli government and others have come to light. These projects work to place pro-Israel content throughout the Internet, and to remove information Israel doesn’t wish people to know.

Under this program, Israeli students are paid $2,000 to work five hours per week to “lead the battle against hostile websites.”

Campaign to infiltrate Wikipedia

CAMERA called for volunteers to secretly work on editing Wikipedia entries. It emphasized the importance of keeping the project secret. Volunteers were schooled in ways to elude detection. After they signed up as editors, they were to “avoid editing Israel-related articles for a short period of time.”CONTINUED


(3). “Here’s how to deal with extremist pro-Israeli trolls on social media”
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/06/...extremist-pro-israeli-trolls-on-social-media/

EXCERPT “We have known for a long time that the Israeli government funds intensive online attacks against people who criticise their policies or express support for the BDS movement (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions) against Israel or actively support the Palestinian struggle for human rights.

A person attacked in this way will find messages posted online calling them a “Nazi”, “anti-Semite”, “Jew-hater” etc and will typically feel shocked and overwhelmed.

Now we know the details of how this works.

In many cases these attacks will be from a single person using multiple on-line identities on behalf of an Israeli government funded group called ACT.IL.

ACT.IL boasts it has 15,000 “online volunteers”

from 73 countries who use their app to perform online “missions” in exchange for “cool prizes” and “scholarships”. CONTINUED


(4) “BBC Poll: Israel Among World's Least Popular Nations”
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/bb...tions-1.525890

EXCERPT“The annual BBC World Service poll finds Germany most popular; only countries less popular than Israel are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran.”CONTINUED

 

Yes .. definitely a side is being chosen --- when we choose to help a people fight off an aggressor from their land .. one is choosing a side.

The rest of your post is un-bridged nonsense. That a Nation is corrupt - has nothing to do with the sovereignty rule. any nation can be called corrupt .. it matters not .. Nations are not to annex land from others .. abridge the sovereignty of other nations .. or peoples in this case.

this justification of yours is doubly laughable when one steps back and looks at the "freedom fighters" we have helped... ... which one wasn't corrupt .. corrupt society.

Then you claim that Israel is being erased somehow .. which is completely wrong .. makes zero sense in context as it is Israel who are the aggressors .. arming the freedom fighters is to get them to stop.

How does Israel stopping its colonial aggression .. erase Israel ? how did you riddle that one ?