Ron DeSantis on Ukraine

Biden chose to join Trump's dishonor.

 

This isn't our fight and the remote chance that nuclear hostilities could actually occur on our soil is idiotic to sit there and stick your nose in there conflict

 

It was Trump who signed the withdrawal agreement with the Taliban.

And it was Trump who got the bearded man in the photo out of jail.

He likes to get criminals out of jail.

Biden just implemented the agreement.

No one could have predicted that the Afghan army would collapse in front of the Taliban as soon as the US troops announced their withdrawal.

 

Sure. Just use your own money and blood for your global do gooderism. If you want the commitment of the American People, we need a debate in Congress followed by a recorded vote.

 

Afghan units were still fighting as the last US aircraft departed.
Biden reversed many Trump decisions; he could have reversed this one.

 

The best version of our country is not guided by our fears.

 

That has already happened every time funding was approved.

 

You know [expletive] well the midnight flight from Bagram Airport without notification of our Afghan allies was executed by the Biden Administration. The subsequent disaster at Kabul Airport was a direct result.

Even the liberal press acknowledges the total incompetence of Biden in withdrawing from Afghanistan.

Here is some educational reading on the subject.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/politics/biden-overrules-advisers-afghanistan-withdrawal/index.html

 

Sure.

 

There has been no separate appropriation for funding the Ukraine war, it's buried in other bills that are buried in omnibus budgeting.

Do you actually give a damn about the support of the American People, or do you just want the money to keep flowing? If it's just the money, what are you bitching about? The money is flowing.

If you want the support of the American People, then we need a Congressional debate and recorded vote on supporting the war.

Where the American People are likely more supportive of securing expenditure:

The Southern Border Is a Hybrid War Zone.

'The March 12 Incident On The Paso Del Norte Bridge confirms the U.S.-Mexico border is once again a war zone.'

'The hybrid war's current weapons: deadly drugs (fentanyl), human trafficking (to include child sex and work slavery), migrants sapping social welfare dollars budgeted for deprived American citizens and noncitizens voting illegally.'

'Illegal votes equal hijacked U.S. elections.'

'Terrorists masked as illegal aliens who use porous and undefended borders to enter the U.S. and embed as "sleeper agents" for future enemy action.'

'Video cameras on the Mexican side captured the human wave assault's initial surge. A swarming thousand -- overwhelmingly male -- funnels into the bridge and below a sign reading "Feliz Viaje" (bon voyage) attempt to physically overrun security personnel and break into the U.S.'

'The personnel to mob would crush and stomp: Border Patrol agents, local and state police -- blue-collar American citizens with badges suddenly outnumbered 10 to one and defending the U.S. from invasion.'

 

Ukraine's Death By Proxy



'Proxy wars devour the countries they purport to defend. There will come a time when the Ukrainians will become expendable to the U.S. They will disappear, as many others before them, from U.S. national discourse and popular.'

DeSantis' assessment of the priority of the Ukraine war matches the evaluation of the American People.

'The war in Ukraine has little to do with Ukrainian freedom and a lot to do with degrading the Russian military and weakening Russian President Vladimir Putin’s grip on power. And when Ukraine looks headed for defeat, or the war reaches a stalemate, Ukraine will be sacrificed like many other states, in what one of the founding members of the C.I.A., Miles Copeland Jr., referred to as the “Game of Nations” and “the amorality of power politics.”'

But, of course, the Warmongers wrap their amorality in a moral stance of higher mindedness.

'Proxy armies are given weaponry with little accountability, significant amounts of which end up on the black market or in the hands of warlords or terrorists. CBS News reported last year that around 30 percent of the weapons sent to Ukraine make it to the front lines, a report it chose to partially retract under heavy pressure from Kiev and Washington. The widespread diversion of donated military and medical equipment to the black market in Ukraine was also documented by U.S. journalist Lindsey Snell. Weapons in war zones are lucrative commodities. There were always large quantities for sale in wars.

 

Ok...

 

The best version of our country is also not inserting ourselves into the middle of a fight that could potentially turn our country into a vitrified glass parking lot more radioactive than Chernobyl or one of the gypstacks at a mosaic mine in Polk county Florida

 

What does Obama have to do with it?

 

And would you be one of those, also, who has faulted President Obama, for not standing up to Putin, in his earlier conquests, including Crimea? Is that what you had meant by "intellectually challenged"-- hypocritical?

 

Correct. Its common sense they'll support the one most useful to them. When I say 'support', I mean any kind of support, not necessarily 'collusion' (which would require the candidate to knowingly co-operate with Russians). Most likely they would unleash the troll farms to saturate the social media with posts to promote the candidate and tear down the opponent.

Trump is easier to manipulate, but either one would be ok from Russia POV since both would de-prioritize or even abandon Ukraine, and that would be a HUGE win for Russia. These elections are far more important to them than 2016 or 2020.

 

Not sure if your questions are intended to be rhetorical. But if not, the answer to the first question is NO. And for the second question NO as well.

The intellectually challenged liberals I was talking and thinking about are people like the following.

https://ourunitedleft.medium.com/and-defund-the-military-2a1cd6447adc

 

The Domino Theory is back. The same theory used for the US involvement in the Vietnam war that should have been totally discredited following the Sino-Vietnamese war in 1979.

The real issue to me is this.
https://www.usdebtclock.org/

 

I guess, most Americans' opinions on the Ukraine war won't deter you either? So much for you caring about democracy. Maybe you care about democracy (that's a laugh, there's no democracy in Ukraine) in Ukraine but you don't care about democracy in the US.

 

FYI. Biden's version of getting out of Afghanistan involved the mass murder of hundreds if not thousands of innocent Afghani and some international civilians. But hey, lets applaud Biden because Trump started the withdrawal in a peaceful and planned withdrawal while Biden blatantly abandoned those to die by the hands of the Talaban. Genius rhetoric you have there. You should be happy you were not in Afghanistan when Biden abondoned them.

 

So kowtow to Putin? Show him that good ol' American run and hide routine?

 

Who said anything about kowtowing to Putin? How about the people (countries) that are directly impacted step up and provide WAY more support, versus the US being the bulk? If they were so worried about their own sovereignty from Russia and the evil Putin... why are they merely sending crumbs to Ukraine while the US supplies 90% of the aid?

 

Except for the fact that Putin has stated as much. In Russian psychology, usually the opposite is true. If Putin says he does not want the old USSR back, what he means is the old Stalinist style government, but his actions since then has been to keep as many of the former Soviet republics in line with Moscow, and thus Putin, as much as possible. It is possible with the Pro-Putin governments that Ukraine had until 2014 and with the Republic of Georgia or with Belarus, and so forth, but he quite literally wants them all. Still to this day, Russia still fears the "West" even though there is no hostile intent.

As for the debt clock, it is not as much as the debt but how we manage it. With interest rates as high as it is, it is a blessing and a curse. The blessing is that it does put pressure to keep the debt down in future years instead of having near zero interest rates as we did from 2019 to 2021. But the curse is that with new debt, the financing is more costly and thus takes more out of the budget over time.

 

Not at all. I would have liked to have made sure the equipment was safe and secure. But most of it was in storage... awaiting proper training before being issued to users. In any case, I would have preferred seeing it didn't end up in the Taliban's hands. By the way... the Afghan Army crippled itself by surrendering. That equipment made no difference at all to their surrender... just to the Taliban's current capabilities.

 

Tell that to the Lithuanians, the Latvians, the Estonians, and the Ukranians. They would disagree with you on that notion not to worry.