Face masks made ‘little to no difference’ in preventing spread of COVID, scientific review finds

Did any of these studies physically isolate, purify, and then biochemically analyze the virus in question? And did they perform proper controls?

The electron micrographs are not proof of any virus either. You can't just take a picture and then claim this or that is a virus. You have to isolate the particle you're looking at and biochemically (that is, PHYSICALLY) analyze it. This is never done. The pics show a soup of dead/destroyed tissue from a 'culture' within which they allegedly 'grew' viruses - but they show no purified particles, nor any that can be confirmed to be a virus - only particles alleged/assumed to be so.

And isn't it also interesting that they can never isolate & purify viral particles directly from the sample? They always have to 'culture' the virus. Why? Simply because the virus doesn't exist, so they have to introduce a culture in which they can induce a cytopathic effect using various toxic lab chemicals - and from the destructive effects of these chemicals on the cells they will attribute to a virus. Then they take a photo of this mess of cellular debris, and then arbitrarily point out some particles they then claim to be the viral culprits - culprits of which they never physically isolate, never biochemically analyze, nor physically extract the genome of for sequencing. The sequence of the alleged viral particle is never physically available - which means it has to be invented. This they do via in silico techniques (ie, via computer modeling/simulation).

Here, Dr. Andrew Kaufman explains in simple terms how they specifically invent the fictitious genome sequence of ALL alleged viruses.

https://ugetube.com/watch/dr-andrew...at-is-a-in-silico-genome_rPpez4qPblLcRvI.html

 

N95 and 100 respirators are 85% effective. The P100 likely go well over 90% effective but I don't have the numbers. The problem is that they aren't what people used. What people used was ineffective. We knew that in 2020. This study is hardly an epiphany.

 

The thing that bothers me most is that the medical community with only a few exceptions repeated the government line publicly even though it knew better. My doctors told me back then that bandannas and paper masks did nothing to prevent viral spread. They just wouldn't say it publicly. Shame on them. We should try to keep politics in government and try to stop it from infecting everything else. I expect government doctors to be political but not my local cardiologist.

 

Well we've past that point now. Every institution has to support state ideology or else.

 

I think there is always room for the truth. Somebody fears every truth but so be it.

 

<Mod Edit> Dr Andrew Kaufman is not a virologist, he is a board certified psychiatrist who has turned into a naturopath. He is not certified or even qualified in epidemiology, vaccinology, virology, or microbiology. He has no specialized education related to viruses. He is not a lab scientist, nor a geneticist. Yet, Kaufman rejects the findings of medical experts who have spent decades studying viruses. Kaufman's training would not provide him with the level of virology and microbiology for him to make any conclusions about SARS-CoV-2. You are echoing the misinformation and I have seen this explanation more than once from the echo chamber of coronavirus deniers. Basically, what you have posted is garbage.

Reports of growth and isolation of SARS-CoV-2 have been reported many times by highly reputable laboratories across the planet. The virus has the been found in the tissues of infected humans and images of the virus have been taken with electron microscopes. Yet, due to the understandable ignorance of virology, people choose to believe Kaufman over reputable scientists and valid science because for some odd reason they want to deny the existence of SARS-CoV-2.

Are you aware what viruses actually are and what they consist of? Do you actually know the process of how virologists culture and isolate viruses? Do you know what 'isolate' refers to?

When people in China started getting sick with a new kind of pneumonia they took a serious look at what could be causing it. Was it MERS that has a 36% case fatality rate? Nope, did not match with the genetics of MERS. Was it SARS-CoV-1 that appeared in 2014 that had a 11% case fatality rate? No but the genetics were similar. They then knew they were dealing with a novel coronavirus which means the genetic code did not match any other known coronavirus.

If viruses are just exosomes and exosomes are not capable of replicating in cells and subsequently causing illness, I wonder where the symptoms of ebola come from which basically causes people to hemorrhage to death. Where did the symptoms of smallpox come from with the characteristic pox rash. Where do the symptoms of covid come from -- people get sick, with the most severe cases having respiratory failure, septic shock, and/or multiple organ dysfunction of which millions died from after the novel SARS-Cov-2 virus was discovered. Were exosomes doing this? Knowledge of exosomes has existed much longer than the covid virus. Of course Kaufman has no explanation of that. The man is wrong.

Kaufman has tried to claim that the virus that causes covid is simply an exosome. Not so. Exosomes are quite similar to retroviruses but there are some crucial differences. A virus is defined as 'an infectious agent of small size that can multiply only in living cells. Exosomes do not replicate. Exosomes are not capable of causing illness. An exosome cannot be a virus because it can't replicate. They are very similar in size. Scientists use 'affinity-based purification' which uses antibodies that specifically bind to cell surface proteins which vary between exosomes and viruses to isolate specific populations of exosomes.

There are new techniques that use flow cytometry to discriminate between exosomes and viruses. Flow cytometry can be used to purify virions.

The actual researchers with actual credentials to actually study the SARS-C0V-2 virus properly know how to isolate the virus. The following link contains a really good article related to the 'realness' of the covid virus -- https://virologydownunder.com/sigh-yes-the-covid-virus-is-real/

There are numerous peer reviewed research papers that demonstrate how the virus has been isolated. Now one can choose to wallow in the echo chamber of misinformation produced by a man who has no business drawing such ridiculous conclusions due to an obvious inadequate education related to viruses. Seriously, Kaufman believes appendicitis is caused by constipation. He denies that viruses cause colds, polio, HIV-AIDS, viral hepatitis, chickenpox, and measles. And with no actual proof behind his claims Kaufman made the leap that the SARS virus does not exist, it's all exosomes. This has been repeatedly shown as false. Peer reviewed research has demonstrated undeniably that the coronavirus exists. This man believes that demonic possession may actually be a factor in some mental illnesses. <Mod Edit>

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-pseudoscience/psychiatrist-who-calmly-denies-reality
https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/2020/12/18/quacks-misuse-kochs-postulates-to-deny-covid-19/

 

You narrative doesn't include what happens to people infected by HIV today who don't take antivirals. They progress through the destruction of CD4 cells and eventually develop AIDS.

The general narrative is that our immune systems have been primed and better able to handle the virus.

There is no shifting consensus.

 

Potentially 99.97%.

 

Surgical masks are generally ineffective. I have no beef with you anti-mask folks saying masks aren't very protective, but take exception when you say high-quality PPE doesn't protect.

 

Some of the publications are US ... for example

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/jvi.00543-20

The authors are Italian.

 

The fact that someone giggled along to the above response is self explanatory.

 

Where did I say that?

 

I doubt that but I imagine a number well into the 90's. I haven't seen a test against virus.

 

JCS posted an article from Dr. Andrew Kaufman that I now respond to.

First off they make no grammatical sense. Then they make no pharmacological sense. They completely ignore the actual pharmacological processes used to create the Covid 19 vaccines. They also completely misunderstand the very substance of the virus. However it appears JCS is trying to restate the theories of Kaufman.

Let's be clear who JCS tries to restate.

This person, Kauffman also claims that:

1- appendicitis which we know can lead to sepsis and death is no big deal and is just simple constipation one can relieve with an enema;

2-there are only five causes of illness,malnutrition, toxicity, psychological shock, physical trauma, and genetic anomaly;

3- viruses are not a cause of human diseases and viruses do not cause the common cold, polio, HIV-AIDS, viral hepatitis, chickenpox, COVID-19, measles.

The entire pith and substance of Kauffman's position JCS tries to repeat is that scientists never saw with their electron microscopes a coronavirus but only exosomes.

Here are 2 articles that helps explains who Kauffman is and his agenda:

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-pseudoscience/psychiatrist-who-calmly-denies-reality

https://medicalhealthhumanities.com...omfort-the-familiarity-of-anti-mask-rhetoric/

Here are just some of many articles that debunk Kauffman's theories:

https://www.facebook.com/2284945488...-in-the-covid-denialism-mov/3583148325075026/

https://dailyfriend.co.za/2020/12/11/busting-bad-doctors-on-covid-19/

https://www.integralworld.net/visser169.html

https://realitybloger.wordpress.com/2021/04/14/dr-andrew-kaufmans-viral-disinformation/

 

Where do you think the 99.97% came from?

 

It doesn't appear to be peer-reviewed.

How about something that has been published by BMJ, New England Journal of Medicine, JAMA (The Journal of the American Medical Association) or the Lancet? Some of the top medical paper publishers.

 

Looking at this one, there is a link that takes you to this.
GISAID: Global initiative on sharing all influenza data - from vision to reality
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28382917/

When you click on the "PubMed" link.

 

The point is that it was published in the United States.

 

The one recycling myths is you. The study I posted proves masks had little to no effect, end of story

 

It should be peer-reviewed, is it?

 

Surgical masks and even N95 masks. Not effective. P100 and N100 respirators like these...



are effective (not perfect).

I think the relevant point is that people advocating masks have an affordable way of protecting themselves and their family and they don't need to demand others wear masks.

 

I thought it came from your guesswork but I could be wrong.

 

Viable viral efficiency of N95 and P100 respirator filters at constant and cyclic flow

"The growing threat of an influenza pandemic presents a unique challenge to healthcare workers, emergency responders, and the civilian population. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) recommends National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH)-approved respirators to provide protection against infectious airborne viruses in various workplace settings. The filtration efficiency of selected NIOSH-approved particulate N95 and P100 filtering facepiece respirators (FFRs) and filter cartridges was investigated against the viable MS2 virus, a non-pathogenic bacteriophage, aerosolized from a liquid suspension. Tests were performed under two cyclic flow conditions (minute volumes of 85 and 135 L/min) and two constant flow rates (85 and 270 L/min). The mean penetrations of viable MS2 through the N95 and P100 FFRs/cartridges were typically less than 2 and 0.03%, respectively, under all flow conditions. All N95 and P100 FFR and cartridge models assessed in this study, therefore, met or exceeded their respective efficiency ratings of 95 and 99.97% against the viable MS2 test aerosol, even under the very high flow conditions. These NIOSH-approved FFRs and particulate respirators equipped with these cartridges can be anticipated to achieve expected levels of protection (consistent with their assigned protection factor) against airborne viral agents, provided that they are properly selected, fitted, worn, and maintained."​

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24011377/

Real people have known about and used these respirators for decades.

See Rudy viewing 9/11 damage below. Think of all the people cleaning up who didn't have masks like Rudy. Think about how he didn't get quality PPE for the workers when there was plenty of it around. Think about grieving family members. Think about how much money the workers' needless suffering has cost taxpayers. Think about Rudy trading on his performance as mayor, then think about this picture of Rudy with a P100 respirator.



Then think about how much Trump and his buddies cared about grocery store clerks, bus drivers, etc. wearing useless paper masks in 2000 before we had effective covid treatments.

 

No its not the end of the story. The fact you think you can read one article and "end the story" shows you arfe not interested in any article unless it feedbacks what you preconceived agenda is.

All you have proven when you do that is you refuse to consider all available evidence and try dictate to others the only info they can consider. No its not the end of the story because you say so. Its not the end of the story because there is a plethora of objective evidence that shares further evidence that shows this simplistic notion you have that either masks are a panacea or do not work is nonsense.

The whole point of this thread is to at this point repudiate the exercises of people like you who select which articles they believe are the only ones to consider and make you an expert on the topic so much so that you presume to tell others what they should do with their lives and the medical choices they make.

Let us be clear. Your choice to deny Covid 19, vaccines, masks, whatever-that is your choice based on your decision. To tell others to engage in behaviour that may endanger their lives or spread contagious diseases is another. This is why some of us take the time to provide counter info to show you have not researched the full range of info on the subject and do not care to and presume to tell others what they should think. I do not. I say to others, get all the info before you decide. Err on the side of your health and the health of others. Before you read anyone on this thread claiming to be an expert on medical issues, speak with your physician, nurse, physician's assistant, health clinic, pharmacist, dentist, health department. Protect yourself from false information spread by arm chair geniuses who read an article on the internet and suddenly are experts in immunology, virology, pharmacology.

 

One wonders why government under both presidents didn't do the same thing. Of course, they did. I appreciate the work you did but it wasn't necessary. All you had to do was say that the number came from tests. Take care.