Trump to be indicted on Wednesday, report to Court next week

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    He wasn't under criminal investigation for 6 years. It's been about 2 years. He was never an actual target in Mueller's investigation (which didn't cost "untold millions") and Mueller worked that entire time under the assumption that he couldn't indict Trump.
     
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    If you don't think this prosecution is politically motivated then I call you naive.

    Weak, I doubt it will get to court and survive. He is being indicted for paying off a porn star when he was a civilian by a DA that has no jurisdiction in the case. I'll say it is weak. It is what we call a "trumped up" charge.

    Without question.

    Pretty much since it hasn't happened to anyone else including Biden and others who have done worse things than than Trump. Biden sold access to himself for cold hard cash. Not illegal perhaps but about as corrupt as a politician can be. Remember Watergate? Nixon wasn't even prosecuted when his crew engaged in breaking and entering and theft. They let him retire in peace. I would recommend that the the DA make a deal with Trump to withdraw from the race. It would be the best thing for both sides.

    Politics is the most corrupt thing in the U.S. Everyone in it is dirtier than a pig in slop. I wish it could be a gentleman's game but it isn't. We should never trump up charges for an opposing politician without an actual crime. There is no room in the judicial system for politics. It is a human weakness and a bad one.
     
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  3. Nwolfe35

    Nwolfe35 Well-Known Member

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    The claims against Biden are conspiracy theory fantasies.
    Nixon wasn't prosecuted because Ford issued him a Pardon.

    No President has ever attempted to overturn an election before and that is what Trump did. If we allow him to get off without consequences then it goes from being a failed coup to a dress rehersal.
     
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    Ah, so you're not counting Clinton/Gore's reaction to the election of 2000, plus 1824, 1876, 1912, and 1960.

    --but other than those you're absolutely right.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    No one in any of those elections attempted what Trump attempted to do. None of them. These are completely fake comparisons.
     
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    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    I agree 100% that DC is more self interested in themselves, but I disagree that they are all like Trump. Trump did things that were not traditional, and I can certainly enumerate those. Using his own hotels for meetings, having relatives work on his staff, etc.
     
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    Gore did not try to overturn an election in 2000. He tried to get an accurate count of votes in Florida BEFORE THE COUNT WAS CERTIFIED.
    Once the election in Florida was certified he conceded to Bush.

    Trump, on the other hand, was pressuring state officials to change vote counts AFTER THE COUNT HAD BEEN CERTIFIED.
    Not to mention the attempt to get fake elector certificates to Pence so Pence could then throw out the electoral votes from those states as being "under dispute"
    Nope, something like what Trump did has not been done before.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Funny how they forget that Gore was VP at the time. Imagine if Gore had done any of the things that Trump was pressuring Pence to do. Just imagine if Gore had simply declared Florida's EC votes null and void.
     
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    Exactly. And they keep ignoring the fact that what Trump attempted to do was after the vote in GA had been certified. Any change to those numbers by the Secretary of State at that point would be election fraud, by definition. Trump's attempt to pressure him into doing so was a solicitation to commit election fraud, a clear violation of GA law (see my signature)
     
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    What Trump did is completely inexcusable. How anyone can still support him is beyond my understanding.
     
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    Heck, technically Gore didn't even wait for the certification. Once SCOTUS ruled in Bush v. Gore Gore knew there was no way to get the totals changed before they were certified and conceded at that point.
     
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    It's simple. Since 1992, when Clinton was first elected, the elections have gone.

    1992 D
    1996 D
    2000 R
    2004 R
    2008 D
    2012 D
    2016 R
    2020 D

    But even with just three Republican administrations in the last 30 years the Republicans have STILL been able to stack the Supreme Court. The Republicans realize that they need to win more Presidential elections in order to maintain the hold on the judiciary. They also realize that the demographics are turning away from them. They cannot afford to allow scandal to taint the Republican brand, so they need to fight like hell to keep the stench of Trump off of their brand...and that means supporting Trump and trying to discredit any attempts to hold him accountable.
     
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    The latest in the get-Trump political saga ...

    Bragg may not indict Trump after all because Trump hasn't been notified that he will be charged.
     
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    Since when does someone have to be notified they will be charged?
     
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    It won't be today. Look at the thread title.
     
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    Are you blaming the GOP for liberal judges such as Ruth Bader Ginsburg being selfish and not resigning before they kick the bucket? And your post doesn't really explain why people still have affection for Trump. Same reason for the crying after Hillary got her ass kicked I guess. Such an emotional attachment to politicians is not healthy.
     
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    Cancel culture liberals have that crown!
     
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    Trump and his followers are the kings of cancel culture. They wanted to cancel the election.
     
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    bbb bbbb but trump...............
     
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    it’s all semantics. Traditional, not traditional… the traditions themselves promote concentration and retention of power over the betterment of all for the most part, so whether trump did something corrupt in a brand new way, or the traditional way that has been happening for decades is pretty much irrelevant. It’s just old corruption versus new corruption, the only difference being is that we have become blind to seeing the old corruption because “it’s always been done that way”.
     
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    No, as far as the election, please refer to George Washington's Farewell Address, about stepping down. Washington set the precedent that was kept until FDR, and then after his term, a law was made to limit to 2 terms. When Kennedy had his brother as AG, then a law was made after for no nepotism. Trump using his own hotels, there is another law for that too.

    Trump did this to himself.
     
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    No, I'm blaming Mitch McConnell for his unprecedented shenanigans in approving nominations to the Supreme Court

    In February of 2016 Antonin Scalia died. This was a full 9 months before the 2016 election. McConnell, without even waiting to see who Obama was going to nominate, announced that the Senate was not even going to consider any nominee until after the election stating that “The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president."

    That was bad enough but fast forward more than 4 years to September 2020 and Ruth Bader Ginsberg dies and McConnell, in a showing of rank hypocrisy of the highest order, agrees to an expedited nomination/approval process to put Amy Comey Barrett on the high court.

    I believe that it was at this was the final straw where the Republicans removed any veneer of "negotiation" with the Democrats and decided that anything goes in order to acquire power, maintain power and deny power to the Democrats at all cost.
     
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    Trump could be on tape breaking laws and the MAGA folks would object to charges. That much is clear.
     
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    Was there a riot when Hillary lost the election? Was Congress forced to abandon their chamber for safety as Hillary supporters broke into the Capitol? Was there a scheme to change certified vote totals? Did Democratic operatives submit fake certificates of electoral votes in an attempt to overthrow the will of the people?
     
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    I withdrew money from the bank and nobody cared, so why were the cops after DB Cooper???
     
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