The Republican Party Dilemma.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Torus34, Mar 22, 2023.

  1. MelshieMaze

    MelshieMaze Well-Known Member

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    Both parties need a complete overhaul, if the Dems need one then the GOP damn sure needs one. The first thing they need to do is to collectively stop wearing their religion on a sleeve and pretending that they've got any sense of morality and ethics.
     
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  2. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Im not quite sure what any of this has to do with the post of mine to which you quoted.

    It looks to me like you just wanted to change the subject. You did not need to quote my post in order to go off on a different tangent. I am not interested in that tangent.
     
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  3. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is hard to argue with a straight face that 90% plus represents free thinking. A statement such as "you ain't black if you don't vote for me" doesn't help that perception. Apparently, Joe believes they do not exercise free thought.

    As far as assuming that not being a minority would change the voting pattern of a voting block that votes based on race is most certainly not any more presumptuous or insulting than assuming they would remain the same. Drastic demographic changes are not made in a vacuum where all other factors remain equal. There is no doubt that with a 90% plus voting pattern, that race is primarily what determines their vote. It is insulting how YOU presume that a minority group that evolves into not being a minority are still going to vote the same as when they were the minority.

    The absolute last thing that Democrats can allow is for society to become color blind, because a truly color blind society would not longer vote based on their race. and the yc annot allow that. This is precisely why you see Democrats constantly stirring up racial tensions, ESPECIALLY in election years. The cruel irony is that the party that presents themselves as championing a color blind society, is the same party that NEEDS society to remain racially divided.
     
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  4. Torus34

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    Hi, FAW.

    I read your reasoned post and have but one question: How long will it take for Blacks to become a majority in the United States of America? It seems your postulated future hinges on that.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
  5. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The argument about whites no longer being the majority, thus dooming them to disaster at the polls in the future is most certainly not MY argument. Rather, that is an argument that I know I have heard from the left at least since the 90's. If you want to know when this is predicted, according to CBS and census projections that projected year is 2043.

    Census: Whites no longer a majority in U.S. by 2043 - CBS News
     
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  6. Torus34

    Torus34 Well-Known Member

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    Hi again, FAW.

    You did not answer my question. Pleaser read again carefully both what you wrote and what I asked.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
  7. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My answer supported what I had said on the subject. What you asked does don't correspond with what I actually said.

    I guess I should say the same thing. Please carefully re-read my original statement and then figure out the proper question that corresponds with what I actually said. I never said that blacks would be the majority, but those projections do figure far more of a mixed race population.
     
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  8. Endeavor

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    Oh now you telling us how many blacks are “ free thinker”. As I said, you are too arrogant to even realize these are insulting.
     
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  9. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, that was Joe Biden...

    "You aint black...."

    The primary difference here is that he is the Democrat President of the United States, and I am just some guy on a chat board.
     
  10. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, hate to say it, but the majority of the population are not the brightest bulbs on the planet, white or black.

    The blacking voting population has allowed themselves to be played like a fiddle.
    There are only a very small number of black political intellectuals to truly stand up for their own interests... and even the majority of these are beholden to higher up Democrat interests, got a leash round their neck, unable to stray too far off the plantation.
    (It's a long story, has been discussed before in other threads in this forum. If they say the wrong thing, the money and media coverage dries up, won't get invitations to speak)

    A lot of the groups who give their voting support to the Party are still vying for influence over that Party. (It's a lot easier for your group to be able to either vote or not vote for a party than to control what that party is going to do, or even say)
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Doubt that will happen soon. Both parties are the way they are for a reason.
    There is a balance of forces.

    Sometimes, occasionally, if one side becomes fed up enough, there will be enough impetus for a momentary wave of change. But it doesn't really have enough strength and then things go back to normal.
     
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  12. MelshieMaze

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    Hey guys, here's a radical thought: maybe black people don't vote for GOP candidates because they're conservatism and being the party of ethics is a lie and they're way more anti-American than they'd like to admit. See, when you have political officials that put their money and effort into bills banning drag, an "anti-woke" law in Florida, banning talking about girls' periods in school, most abortion-related subjects, being against some gun reform laws, LGBT related stuff among so many other things, you can't say anything about it being related to "morals." Especially when previously there's been a candidate or two trying to ban Sharia law in Alabama, as if that was ever gonna happen in the first place.

    In other words, the GOP is trash.
     
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  13. Cybred

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    Before 1900 Republicans had seated 22 African Americans in Congress. From 1901 to 1971 they seated a whole two more. Yep, two. Since then another 9 (one of those is a double up - Tim Scott has been in both chambers). These numbers only cover voting members.

    In that same period Democrats have seated over 125 African Americans in Congress. One of them went on to become Vice President & one President. Over 50 sit in Congress at the moment, compared to a whole three for the GOP.
     
  14. Lil Mike

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    Did I say that?
     
  15. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I dont need and help calling out the irrational ideological perspectives of the woke crowd.
     
  16. LangleyMan

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    Again, you don't seem inclined to take into account that the Democratic Party may have been hijacked by minorities and women, and that the party could regain its hegemony with low- and middle-income Americans by looking out for lower-income whites. I pointed out how Trump promised and didn't deliver.
    Maybe the Republican Party isn't doing enough for poor people.
    Because of past racism, blacks are still doing worse than whites.

    [​IMG]

    But there are many poor whites doing no better than blacks because there are far more whites overall.
    No, I don't think so. Democrats are in the process of rediscovering lower-income whites. Republicans have proven to be no friends of lower-income folks of any color and they should live in fear Democrats will reach out to poor whites in the upcoming slowdown.
     
  17. LangleyMan

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    I think so.
     
  18. Lil Mike

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    Well maybe you can find a quote from me?
     
  19. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I still don't understand how this is supposedly a response to what I have said.

    This notion about "Trump not delivering", or the "Republican party is not doing enough for poor white people" is entirely off topic from what I said.

    Respectfully, I am not interested in getting into a drawn out discussion about this tangent that you apparently want to discuss. If you want to discuss it put it out there to find someone that is interested, but do not quote me as if I am supposed to go off on this off-topic tangent with you.
     
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  20. Torus34

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    Hi for the last time on this thread, FAW.

    Let me post a quote from your statement above: ". . . it is perfectly reasonable to assume that blacks will no longer vote based on their race since they are no longer a minority," {Italics mine.]

    Regards, best wishes to you and yours.
     
  21. LangleyMan

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    I strongly disagree. Democrats have to adjust their strategy to pivot on helping low-income people of all races. They also need to remind themselves blacks are less than 15% of the population and there are whites hurting and not being helped by Republicans. The 2017 personal income tax had 85% going to people making $400,000 per year after Trump said he wouldn't cut the top income tax bracket. That and the GOP nearly cutting Obamacare subsidies for low-income earners leaves a huge opening with lower-income whites. That's why I disagreed with your assertion Democrats can't afford to appeal to whites.

    It's not "off topic" and I would appreciate you not saying it is.
    No, I just wanted to put in my two cents.
    You're not required to reply. Someone else may want to comment.
    Now, you're telling me not to quote you? Really?
     
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  22. Darthcervantes

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    They somehow managed to brainwash black folks to be like "Hey, no worries about slavery and jim crow, we'll vote for ya anyway".
    I mean how can you compete with wizards? Clearly the democrats have some magic on their side.
     
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    Theres no shortage of blacks and latinos voting for the right. God, guns and individual freedom arent just for white folks. Black people rightfully see abortion as an existencial threat to their culture. The fastest growing gun rights advocacy group is 90%+ African American. Latinos are predominantly catholic and almost entirely immigrants from failed socialist states. The 'right is racist' propaganda and free handouts strategy was never going to work forever.
     
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    Until the GOP actually starts proposing realalistic solutions to pressing, table issue problems, instead of the blame game, "culture war" or the other diatribe that gets instant gratification, as well as choosing reasonable leaders, it won't change anytime soon. Maybe another presidential election loss may do the trick, but I don't think so.
     
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    Perfect example of someone who only parrots what they are told.

    1: Germans in 1939 did not just ban books. They burned them.
    2: No, Florida has not banned ANY books.
    3: Ivermectin is used in animals yes, but it is ALSO used in humans. And has been for quite a while now. It was approved for use in humans in 1987 by the FDA. Ivermectin is even listed under WHO's Model List of Essential Medications. You can download that list here if you don't believe me: LINK: WHO model list of essential medicines - 22nd list, 2021
     

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