Face masks made ‘little to no difference’ in preventing spread of COVID, scientific review finds

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  1. LangleyMan

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    I started with the quote then added the rest in the hope someone would consider how disgusting pols are when it comes to masks. I have an enduring mental imagine of Biden taking off his mask to speak, stuffing it in his coat pocket, and then putting it back on after he's finished holding forth.

    The picture of Rudy Giuliani with a P100 respirator after 9/11 and not providing them to workers says a lot about how cynical these pols are.
     
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    That is not what the laws state. That is your subjective projection of what you fear the laws could end up stating. You might want to try differentiate your fears from actual fact when responding because at this point you do not and that does not make your statements credible.

    Provide a law that states "every institution has to support state ideology or else".

    You can't and won't because none exist.

    More to the point and ironically you have no problem supporting Trump and his ideology that every institution has to support his ideology or else do you not?
     
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    Could you quote me in which I said there was a law that "every institution has to support state ideology or else?".
     
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    You won't get any argument from me. I wouldn't invite one for dinner.
     
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    Post 129.

    'Well we've past that point now. Every institution has to support state ideology or else."

    You really want to claim the above did not mean the obligation to support state ideology is caused by a law? What this "has to support" compulsion or demand just came from thin air?

    Lol. Ok. Zippity doo dah day.


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    Do you bother reading the very material you cite? If you did you'd see that at no time did any of the researchers have an actual virus of which they physically isolated and sequenced - let alone demonstrated to be either pathogenic or contagious.

    In these papers, "isolation" (to the authors) doesn't mean physical isolation, but computational (ie, in silico) isolation and/or 'isolation' in culture as 'confirmed' by EM photos. This is NOT true isolation. If you disagree, then point out in any of these papers where the researchers physically isolated a virion. Also, EM photos are meaningless if you can't biochemically analyze what you're looking at - particularly with the claim that certain particles are 'viruses', let alone infectious. (Keep in mind, all objects shown in an EM photo show dead tissue.)

    * This is a review of studies performed involving the alleged 'isolation' of SARS-CoV-2 from allegedly infected individuals living in Northern Italy.

    From the paper we find the typical fraud of virology still at work:

    * RT-PCR 'testing' was used to ascertain the individuals were 'infected' (PCR is unable to show either infection or the presence of any microbe).
    * No actual virus was physically isolated & sequenced. Sequencing was performed with bioinformatics (ie, in silico) & then compared against a genome database.
    * SARS-CoV-2 viral genome deposited to GISAID were sourced from only 2 people.
    * As is typical, CPE-susceptible Vero cell lines were used as 'culture'.
    * No proper controls were indicated or discussed.

    Problems pointed out by the authors themselves:

    * Despite a high burden of COVID-19 in Italy, very little information is available to date from full-length high-quality sequences. The first sequences deposited in GISAID (EPI_ISL_410545 and EPI_ISL_410546) were collected in Rome from a Chinese tourist from Hubei province who got infected before visiting Italy, and another one (EPI_ISL_412974) was from a test-positive Italian citizen returning from China.

    * These findings strongly urge the need for comprehensive studies that combine genomic data with epidemiological data and clinical records of symptoms from patients with COVID-19.

    * No actual virus was physically isolated & sequenced. Sequencing was performed with bioinformatics (ie, in silico) & then compared against a genome database.
    * Further computational algorithms were used through phylogenetic analysis of whole genome sequences purporting to show that "it clustered with other SARS-CoV-2 reported from Wuhan."
    NOTE: Computational phylogenetics is the application of computational algorithms, methods, and programs to phylogenetic analyses. The goal is to assemble a phylogenetic tree representing a hypothesis about the evolutionary ancestry of a set of genes, species, or other taxa.
    * As is typical, CPE-susceptible Vero cell lines were used as 'culture'.
    * No proper controls were indicated or discussed, so no proof that alleged viruses had caused CPE in culture.
    * No proof that EM photos shows actual infectious microbes (virions).

    The full paper is not accessible so I can't review it. Do you have an alternative link?

    * No actual virus was physically isolated & sequenced. Sequencing was performed with bioinformatics (ie, in silico) & then compared against a genome database.
    * As is typical, CPE-susceptible Vero cell lines were used as 'culture'.
    * No proper controls were indicated or discussed, so no proof that alleged viruses had caused CPE in culture.
    * No proof that EM photos shows actual infectious microbes (virions).
    * The paper claims "Virus replication was confirmed using real-time RT-PCR with RNA extracted from the cell culture medium on PID-3." But PCR is incapable of confirming the presence of any microbe, but only the presence of a pre-specified/target genomic sequence. Further, no confirmation was demonstrated that the genome in question is in any way associated with a coronavirus or other infectious microbe.

    * No actual virus was physically isolated & sequenced. Sequencing was performed with bioinformatics (ie, in silico) & then compared against a genome database.
    * As is typical, CPE-susceptible Vero cell lines were used as 'culture'.
    * No proper controls were indicated or discussed, so no proof that alleged viruses had caused CPE in culture.
    * No proof that EM photos shows actual infectious microbes (virions).

    * RT-PCR was used to 'test' for 'infection', but PCR cannot be used to confirm infection or the presence of any microbe.
    * No actual virus was physically isolated & sequenced. Sequencing was performed with bioinformatics (ie, in silico) & then compared against a genome database.
    * As is typical, CPE-susceptible Vero cell lines were used as 'culture'.
    * No proper controls were indicated or discussed, so no proof that alleged viruses had caused CPE in culture.
    * No proof that EM photos shows actual infectious microbes (virions).

    * Here the authors are attempting to show that using a specific cell line (MPRSS2-expressing VeroE6 cell line) - what they consider highly 'susceptible' to SARS-Cov-2 - can be used to enhance 'isolation'.
    * Because of the nature of the study which was to compare Vero cell lines, it appears that no physical or even in silico sequencing was performed but only RT-PCR 'tests' to 'confirm' the presence of 'SARS-CoV-2 mRNA'. But PCR cannot detect either infection or the presence of any microbe.
    * As is typical, CPE-susceptible Vero cell lines were used as 'culture'.
    * No proper controls were indicated or discussed, so no proof that alleged viruses had caused CPE in culture.
    * No proof that EM photos shows actual infectious microbes (virions).

    * No actual virus was physically isolated & sequenced. Sequencing was performed with bioinformatics (ie, in silico) & then compared against a genome database.
    * RT-PCR 'tests' were used to 'confirm' 'infection' in sampled individuals - but PCR cannot detect either infection or the presence of any microbe.
    * As is typical, CPE-susceptible Vero cell lines were used as 'culture'.
    * No details of the control (or 'mock infection') were provided.
    * Antibody tests responded to IgM & IgG - but antibody tests are non-specific.
    * No proof that EM photos & other photos presented shows the effects or presence of actual infectious microbes (virions).

    This link seems to be incomplete & shows only a summary. Do you have the entire paper I can review?

    * No details of how genome sequencing was conducted.
    * No details of actual 'isolation' as claimed.
    * As is typical, CPE-susceptible Vero cell lines were used as 'culture'.
    * No proper controls were indicated or discussed, so no proof that alleged viruses had caused CPE in culture.
    * Unknown if EM photos were taken of alleged virions.
     
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    A major problem with this argument is it's an example of circular reasoning.

    No microbe fitting the conventional description & properties of a virus has yet been confirmed to exist - let alone any that are pathogenic and/or infectious. So any technique used to purify & differentiate between various EVs will only yield EVs - not alleged 'viruses' unless said viruses have first been established to exist as a pathogenic/cytopathic contagion.

    So you can purify and differentiate all the EVs you want until you're blue in the face. But if you haven't first confirmed the existence of a pathogenic virus that is believed to destroy cells, then all you'll be doing is purifying different EVs - with not a single virus present. What does this ultimately mean? It means you will never be in possession of a virus that you can use to demonstrate pathogenicity, because if all you have are different EVs - and we know EVs are non-pathogenic - then you can't demonstrate the existence of a virus.

    With that said, exosomes are secreted by cells through exocytosis, so it already appears as though they are 'replicating' from within the cell because that's precisely where they originate. This becomes problematic for virologists who are trying to pinpoint 'viruses' in EM photos which appear to do the very same thing.

    Note also that exosomes are only one subset of extracellular vesicles (EV). Scientists seem unable to effectively differentiate between the various subsets of EVs, as will be shown in my next post.

    Regarding so-called 'viral proteins':

    In order to know what proteins are associated with a virus, you first have to physically isolate & biochemically analyze the virus. Then, you have to confirm that the biochemical makeup of said virus is consistent both in size, shape & molecular structure. This has never been done. To date there's no effective or reliable way to differentiate between different EVs and alleged 'virus-like' particles. And to add to this problem, antibody tests are non-specific.
     
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    More on exosomes & extracellular vesicles (EV) - proving what scientists interpret to be 'viruses' are actually the by-products of endogenous cellular activity. They just can't admit it because they're so fixated on the the viruses-are-real myth.

    Considering the fact that there exists no scientific confirmation of the existence of viruses, let alone pathogenic & contagious viruses, we must conclude that alleged 'viruses' observed in electron micrographs are actually extracellular components. And, as would be expected, scientists have indeed been encountering difficulties in discerning what they believe to be viruses vs what they know to be EVs. Note: the three main sub-types of EVs are microvesicles (MVs), exosomes, and apoptotic bodies.

    (1) The following May 2020 paper in the journal Viruses demonstrates the inability of scientists to distinguish between EVs and what they allege to be 'viruses':

    The Role of Extracellular Vesicles as Allies of HIV, HCV and SARS Viruses
    The remarkable resemblance between EVs and viruses has caused quite a few problems in the studies focused on the analysis of EVs released during viral infections. Nowadays, it is an almost impossible mission to separate EVs and viruses by means of canonical vesicle isolation methods, such as differential ultracentrifugation, because they are frequently co-pelleted due to their similar dimension. To overcome this problem, different studies have proposed the separation of EVs from virus particles by exploiting their different migration velocity in a density gradient or using the presence of specific markers that distinguish viruses from EVs. However, to date, a reliable method that can actually guarantee a complete separation does not exist.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7291340/

    (2) Research scientists in the following study admit they cannot tell the difference between alleged SARS-CoV-2 'viruses' and specialized endosomes called multivesicular bodies (MVB). MVBs are endocytic organelles - ie, they're produced by cells.

    Multivesicular bodies mimicking SARS-CoV-2 in patients without COVID-19
    Most of the published images depicting the suspected virus are very similar, if not identical, to multivesicular bodies (MVBs). MVBs have been well-known since the 1960s and their appearance and occurrence is detailed in the classic monograph of Feroze Ghadially;3 however, their exact significance and function is unclear. We suspect that the EM images of SARS-CoV-2 published to date are in fact MVBs.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7206432/

    (3) In the same vein, John Hopkins HIV/AIDS researcher Dr. James Hildreth states that “the [HIV] virus is fully an exosome in every sense of the word."

    When is a virus an exosome?
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2248418/

    (4) EVs appear to behave in exactly the same way viruses are purported to!

    From: Extracellular Vesicles in Viral Infections: Two Sides of the Same Coin?
    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcimb.2020.593170/full

    * For intracellular pathogens like viruses, EVs can have an even more complex function, since the viral biogenesis pathway can overlap with EV pathways in several ways, generating a continuum of particles, like naked virions, EVs containing infective viral genomes and quasi-enveloped viruses, besides the classical complete viral particles that are secreted to the extracellular space. Those particles can act in recipient cells in different ways. Besides being directly infective, they also can prime neighbor cells rendering them more susceptible to infection, block antiviral responses and deliver isolated viral molecules. On the other hand, they can trigger antiviral responses and cytokine secretion even in uninfected cells near the infection site, helping to fight the infection and protect other cells from the virus. This protective response can also backfire, when a massive inflammation facilitated by those EVs can be responsible for bad clinical outcomes. EVs can help or harm the antiviral response, and sometimes both mechanisms are observed in infections by the same virus.

    * Viruses use Intracellular Membranes to Evade the Immune Response and Complete Their Cycle:

    Viruses can exploit intracellular membranes to complete their cycles and propagate, creating structures called replicative organelles (Wolff et al., 2020) and using cellular secretion mechanisms to facilitate particle formation and budding.

    * Vesicles or Viral Particles? Overlap Between Viral Budding and EV Biogenesis:

    In addition to secreting replicative viral particles, infected cells can also secrete other structures containing viral proteins and nucleic acids that can activate the immune system or impact recipient cells, favoring viral propagation (van der Grein et al., 2018). There is ongoing discussion about the classification of these particles, since they can be either host EVs containing viral molecules or defective viral particles. It is difficult to isolate pure populations of these different types of vesicles since they are of similar size, density and composition, and most isolation methods cannot be used to separate them (van der Grein et al., 2018). The replicative viral structures found inside host EVs can be complete viral particles or “quasi-enveloped” viruses (viruses that are classically nonenveloped but can be found “cloaked” inside host EVs) (Feng et al., 2014).

    (5) In 'viral cultures', scientists typically see EVs because of the dead/dying tissue. Because the presence of EVs is so common in viral cultures, they're falsely theorizing that the EVs are involved in the infection process, despite zero evidence that there ever was exposure to a virus.

    Exosomes Released from Rabies Virus-Infected Cells May be Involved in the Infection Process
    Exosomes are cell-derived vesicles that are secreted by many eukaryotic cells. It has recently attracted attention as vehicles of intercellular communication. Virus-infected cells release exosomes, which contain viral proteins, RNA, and pathogenic molecules. However, the role of exosomes in virus infection process remains unclear and needs to be further investigated.
    https://www.virosin.org/article/doi/10.1007/s12250-019-00087-3

    (6) Exosomes contain genetic material

    The role of exosomes contents on genetic and epigenetic alterations of recipient cancer cells
    Exosomes, as a mediator of cell-to-cell transfer of genetic information, act an important role in intercommunication between tumor cells and their niche including fibroblasts, endothelial cells, adipocytes and monocytes. Several studies have shown that tumor cells can influence their neighboring cells by releasing exosomes. These exosomes provide signaling cues for stimulation, activation, proliferation and differentiation of cells. Exosomes contain mRNAs, microRNAs (miRNA), and proteins that could be transferred to target cells inducing genetic and epigenetic changes.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5110650/

    (7) Exosomes not only contain mRNA but also resemble retroviruses.

    Extracellular vesicles and viruses: Are they close relatives?
    Extracellular vesicles (EVs) released by various cells are small phospholipid membrane-enclosed entities that can carry miRNA. They are now central to research in many fields of biology because they seem to constitute a new system of cell–cell communication. Physical and chemical characteristics of many EVs, as well as their biogenesis pathways, resemble those of retroviruses. Moreover, EVs generated by virus-infected cells can incorporate viral proteins and fragments of viral RNA, being thus indistinguishable from defective (noninfectious) retroviruses.
    https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1605146113

    (8 ) It's virtually impossible to even distinguish between the different types of EVs!

    Types of Extracellular Vesicles: From Exosomes to Oncosomes and Everything In Between
    The term EV refers to any (extracellular) vesicle which has a membrane bilayer, contains a random or curated reflection of the cellular contents, and was produced ‘naturally’ by a cell (i.e., not artificially by extruding a cell). This definition encompasses a wide variety of EV subtypes, many of which are likely not yet identified or characterised. Herein lies a major limitation in the EV field – the properties of EVs are promiscuous. Subtypes overlap in size, composition and density, making them all but impossible to tell apart. They do differ in their biogenesis (Figure 1), with this being the one thing that defines them. Unfortunately, it is all but impossible to assign a route of biogenesis to an EV unless this route is witnessed. An exosome has to be seen to be believed.
    https://www.izon.com/news/types-of-...osomes-to-oncosomes-and-everything-in-between
     
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    If one is asymptomatic, being diagnosed as 'HIV positive' with the ELISA or other such test is meaningless.

    If one is symptomatic, one has to do a thorough medical work up to see what the cause might be. The main cause of today's chronic diseases are artificial EMF, vaccinations, and medical or recreational drugs. There's no evidence of a microbial etiology for any pandemic past or present.

    So why the need for toxic vaccines, which cause only further injury & deaths? (While big pharma rakes in $billions in revenue.)

    Every vaccine in the past that was given credit for reducing a given 'epidemic' was introduced late when said disease du jour was already in long decline.

    See the graphs HERE, HERE, HERE, and HERE.

    Actually, there is. Here's just a sampling.

    * 17,000+ physicians & medical scientists of the Global Covid Summit who have organized to bring an end to the covid vaccinations, and to help bring the vaccine makers & their enablers to justice
    https://globalcovidsummit.org/

    * The Covid Vaccine Whistleblowers
    https://www.covid19reader.com/the-c...rs-or-why-its-about-time-to-wake-the-hell-up/

    * “This is CRIMINAL!” Florida’s Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo exposes the truth about the COVID-19 Vaccine
    https://rumble.com/v1ph4ve-this-is-...eneral-exposes-the-truth-about-the-covid.html
    More from Dr. Joseph Ladapo
    https://rumble.com/v1pyg8p-florida-...vid-19-vaccine-findings-are-disturbing-d.html

    * Neurosurgeon Dr Blaylock Exposes the Covid Mass Murder in Detail
    https://drtrozzi.org/2022/06/15/neurosurgeon-dr-blaylock-exposes-the-covid-mass-murder-in-detail/

    * Dissenting Dr. Shoemaker speaks out about vaccines & ivermectin
    https://drtrozzi.org/2022/07/14/dr-shoemaker-12-minutes-with-rebel-news-exceptional/

    * Dr. John Campbell: Excess Deaths Continue
    https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=bGZJfVR9-wo

    * Top cardiologist ties 'unexpected' deaths & collapses to COVID shot
    https://www.wnd.com/2022/10/top-cardiologist-ties-unexpected-deaths-collapses-covid-shot/

    * Drug Companies Hide Covid-19 Vaccine Injuries, Scientist Tells FDA
    https://darbyshaw.substack.com/p/drug-companies-hide-covid-19-vaccine

    * Covid-19: Researcher blows the whistle on data integrity issues in Pfizer’s vaccine trial
    https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=RaLxhFiOBYk

    * "Foot-Long Blood Clots" From mRNA, Says Pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole w/ Dr Kelly Victory – Ask Dr. Drew
    https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=2SLp6B_kkRI

    * Veteran funeral director reports: "95% of corpses received covid vax within 2 weeks of death."
    https://drtrozzi.org/2022/10/24/new-zealands-sad-95-funeral-director-reports/

    * Insurance CEO Says Deaths Way Up, Not from Covid
    https://darbyshaw.substack.com/p/insurance-ceo-says-deaths-way-up

    * In-Depth: Myocarditis cases among vaccinated military members
    https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=BvzPLcaaM7I
     
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    The material clearly shows what you deny. You spent an entire response denying what the materials actually said. Lol.
     
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    To start with none of your cites back up what you claim. You went to the internet, found every article you think denies Covid 19 lists but have not read those articles.

    Next I stopped reading after the above 3 sentences as should anyone else because you utterly wrong.

    Top start with whether one is or is not asymptomatic specific tests for viruses, bacterial and fungii infections and a pelthora of other tests are conducted with spinal taps, blood, other bodily fluid, mris, xrays, cat scans, etc. People are diagnosed accurately as carrying HIV but being asymptomatic most of the time which is why the disease can be spread. People have no idea they have it, Zip over your head.

    You have no clue what tests were done on people to conclude when they have chronic illnesses. Not a clue. Without knowing what those tests are, you make a sweeping statement their illnesses are caused by EMF, recreational drugs or vaccinations. You have zero proof of that.

    You just throw out the sweeping statement based on your assumption. Here you are lecturing people that proper tests need to be done to diagnose an illness and then in the very next sentence make sweeping plural collective diagnoses of ALL chronic illnesses.

    Its past absurd.

    My God man wake up. The process to diagnose any illness is based on specific protocol and procedures. You clearly do not know what they are but assume they all are false and you know the cause of illnesses.
     
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    Posing? About what?

    I don't know how it is in Canada, but the left controls all of the major institutions, both in and out of government in the US. No law is needed because you probably are not going to go far in media, academia, or the upper reaches of government unless you follow progressive ideology.
    This dumb idea of yours of a "law" is ridiculous because everyone already knows what they are supposed to believe and they largely believe it.
     
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    People who think they have HIV take the antivirals keep living, and those who don't tend to end up dead. What are the antivirals doing?
     
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    Oh so its the "left" who controls the major institutions both in out of the government in the US.

    Thanks for the distinction. That explains everything.


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    Step right up folks and have a go blame it on the...........

    Zionists, Jews, people who eat bagels
    Masons
    Leftists
    Pharmacy Companies and Doctors
    Kim Kardashian
    transexuals
    cross dressers who read children's stories at libraries
    illuminati
    Elon Musk
    Joe Biden
    anyone with the name Biden
    Al Franken
    Keannu Reeves
    Lil Mike
    Death (aka Goldberg)
    Vince McMahon
    the people of Tonga
     
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    I have no idea why you believe that there is no scientific confirmation of viruses. Of course there is.

    First of all, one has to understand that viruses need a culture to activate in. You can't isolate a virus without using a cell-culture. That is a basic fact. You need a cell-culture because viruses are obligate parasites which mean that can't replicate without being in a living host cell. Again, this is fundamental biology.

    Viruses turn cells into virus-producing factories. The proteins that a virus has on its surface means it is only able to infect very specific cells from a host species or a wide range from a lot of different species. When a virologist wants to isolate a virus from a sample, they take the sample and add it to some cells and look to see if the cells die and/or if there are any virus particles released in the medium the cells are growing in.

    So people are trying to prove the virus responsible for Covid-19 does not exist. They ask if the virus has been isolated as in 'the act of separating' a thing from everything else. They weren't asking a question based on the fundamental biology of viruses. They were asking for evidence that the virus existed by using words to specifically rule out getting any evidence that the virus exists. Basic biology again -- viruses need a host cell to replicate in which is why samples are always combined with another source of genetic material.

    When virologists talk about 'isolate' of a virus they are referring to the name for a virus that has been isolated from an infected host and propagated in culture. A virus isolate implies nothing other than the virus has been isolated from an infected host.

    In terms of 'isolating' a virus, a specimen is collected from a patient and if any viruses are present in that sample they will be cultured or grown in either little flasks or on tissue culture plates. Viruses adapt to their hosts and evolve to survive and replicate efficiently within their particular environment. When a new virus such as SARS-CoV-2 emerges, it isn’t obvious what particular environment that virus has adapted to, so it can be hard to grow it successfully in the lab. What one needs is a culture that the virus will grow successfully in. In the case of MERS (Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome) the virus was successfully cultured on immunodeficient cells. Of course, any sample from a patient is going to likely contain other viruses so it's critical to determine if the virus growing in the culture is the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Researchers confirm the source of infection by extracting genetic material from the virus in culture and sequencing it's genome. There are known coronavirus sequences to use as comparison. Viruses are precisely identified by their genetic sequences.

    When a virus is cultured, the virus replicates and can then be harvested as a source of the virus. Virions in the culture medium can be separated from the host cells by either centrifugation or filtration. Filters can physically remove anything present in the solution that is larger than the virions; the viruses can then be collected in the filtrate.

    Molecular techniques are capable of detecting either whole viral genome or parts of the viral genome. Sequencing is the only diagnostic method that will provide the full sequence of a virus genome. Electron microscopy that can take an picture of a whole virus and reveal its shape and structure.

    Researchers initially knew it was a coronavirus due to its outside structure. They knew it was related to SARS-CoV due to a very similar genome.

    SARS-CoV-2 is not an exosome as Kaufman has claimed.

    An exosome are micro-vesicles secreted by cells. Cells communicate with one another via exosomes. One cell will send an exosome -- a little bubble of RNA -- 'genetic code' with instructions. The code goes into another cell to tell that cell what to do. The code in the bubble depends on where it came from.

    SARS-CoV-2 is basically a cell that contains RNA. It's also surrounded by a lipid layer similar to how exosomes are. They are almost identical.

    A virus has 'bad' RNA. When it attaches to a cell, it injects its bad code into the cell and the code multiplies. It kills the cell which releases more of the virus into the body. Exosomes do not replicate inside cells.

    The code that exosomes contain is different from SARS virus and the code depends on where their source came from. Some exosomes can help limit viral infection, while others can promote it. The SARS-CoV-2 virus has specific code with specific instructions to replicate, kill the cell, and go and infect other cells.

    So Kaufman, the virology-illiterate naturopath says that exosomes and the Covid-19 virus are the same thing. Except they aren't the same thing unless every single virologist in the world that is working/has worked on SARS-CoV-2 is lying. Imagine that -- some virology-illiterate forensic shrink turned naturopath knows more than every other virologist on the planet with decades of virology based education. Critical thinking cap on -- yeah, I think I'll go with decades of trusted and replicated science produced by real scientists with real creds. I will also go with my own science based education of which demonstrates to me Kaufman's fundamental and stupid errors.

    The SARS-CoV-2 virus contains bad code. Exosomes contain different kinds of code depending on their source. Exosomes are communicators and do not replicate. You can't grow them in culture.

    If one wants to change fundamental science and claim that because two things look alike, they must be the same thing, you can, of course, believe in the claims of Kaufman. Of course that means you have to ignore all the real scientific research related to SARS-CoV-2 virus. Kaufman claims that what is seen on electron microscopy are exosomes not SARS-CoV-2. Unbelievable!!! How could so many virologists make such a rookie mistake.
     
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    While your response is most appreciated by people like me who are trying to stop the false info on this and many similar threads I am afraid you sent it to someone who has made clear he is not interested in any information he does not think justifies his preconceived biases.

    I respond sometimes to counter his false info as well but he is quite proud of the fact he has rejected any info but what he thinks fits his preconceived conspiracy theories that offer simplistic, pat assumptions with zero medical or scientific basis.

    We live in an age where people with no training feel they are sudden experts based on an article they scan through on the internet.
     
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    If you can't come up with a decent response just say so. I've accepted your defeat before.
     
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    My information is more for those who may not know anything about viruses. A little bit of information can go a long way. I believe that misinformation should be addressed.
     
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    All living beings "tend" to end up dead. You offer an unpersuasive answer.
     
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    The people taking the anti-virals have a lower death rate.
     
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    In your Fauci-constructed world, yes of course. Whatever Anthony says you believe. Ignorance is bliss.
     
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    The anti-virals save lives. I can't even begin to imagine why you think they don't.
     
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    That's because of several things: a little background in medicine and pharmacy, and an ability to sooner or later realize I've been fooled by liars. Part of that comes from having read RFK Jr.'s book, The Real Anthony Fauci

    Knowledge is helpful in life.
     
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    So, the people who think they have HIV, take the antivirals and then don't get sick and die are dupes? They've been told they have HIV, don't have it and take useless antivirals?

    What about the people who are diagnosed with HIV, don't take the antivirals, and end up dying in greater numbers than the people who take the antivirals?
    This explains a lot.
    Keep that in mind.
     
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    You still didn't answer my question. Did any of the studies you posted involve the physical isolation of the virion in question, and the physical extraction & subsequent sequencing of the virion's genome? If you say "NO" or cannot answer the question, then you have no argument.

    Dr. Kaufman is a smart cookie. He's MIT educated and an MD who knows how to read the medical publications & literature far better than you or I. He understands the biological lab lingo & jargon, so he's able to make an accurate interpretation of what's being presented. You should watch his videos where he goes through the journal papers and points out the problems which show poor scientific methodology.

    If you disagree with him, then point out specific points that you disagree with and explain why. Posting studies that catch your eye because they state "isolation" in the title is not proof, particularly since you don't appear to even be reading the papers you post - or, if you do, you're not understanding it. You need to look at the 'methods & materials' section to determine if what they claim is accurate.

    Again, Kaufman understands the literature. He said he scoured through thousands of papers looking for evidence of a virus. You haven't presented any papers demonstrating the actual biochemical analysis of an actual isolated virion. You only show papers with photos of alleged viral particles, cultures using the typical Vero cell lines & typical CPEs, sequencing using in silico methods (without an actual virus) which generates a fictitious sequence that's then compared to a central genome database, and no or improper controls to ensure that the observed CPEs were not due to the lab procedures.

    Do you ever ask yourself why not a single virus has ever been directly photographed in saliva, blood, plasma or other fluids of a suspected (ie, 'covid positive') patient - but is only 'observed' after 'culturing' the virus? If the virus existed then it should be observed by the millions in extracellular fluids. But it never is, and this is proof of fraud. Every single 'virologist' is trained & instructed to follow these same steps in order to produce a 'virus'. They've either been duped or they're afraid to lose their job/grants - and that's why they're all wrong. Some, like former virologist Dr. Stefan Lanka were astute enough to see it was all bullshit and made it his mission to expose this dangerous lie to the world. Because of this lie, millions have been injured & killed by the 'vaccines', and subjected to the debilitating effects of lockdowns & mandates.

    I know what a virus is supposed to be, but I've yet to find any evidence of the existence of any. And you (or anyone else) have yet to provide such evidence.

    I do. But do you? Do you know why cytopathic effects are observed in the culture? Do you know what chemicals the culture is typically treated? Do you know what specific cell lines are typically used, and why? Do you even know what they actually do when they claim to have 'sequenced' a 'virus'?

    I do. But I don't believe you do, because if you did you would've been able to point out the fact that no virus was actually physically isolated in the papers you posted. Do you know what they do when they claim to have 'isolated' a virus? It's not what you think.

    People in large Chinese cities were constantly getting sick with pneumonia and many other respiratory illnesses because Chinese cities are notorious for having the most polluted air in the world. That was nothing new. What was new was that Wuhan had just activated 10,000 new 5G towers. This has affected all regions of the world where 5G has been implemented, including even Iran. Hypoxia & respiratory distress is one of many known effects of artificial EMF. Now, whether the patient was sickened by cell towers or just had a bad case of upper respiratory illness due to smog/smoking/drugs/etc., or both, we don't know. The science behind the claims is poor to non-existent.

    Here is what Dr. Mark Bailey states about this Wuhan patient No. 1 - from A Farewell to Virology, pgs 29-30:

    ...they obtained some bronchoalveolar lavage fluid (BALF) from their patient and with this crude specimen reported that, “total RNA was extracted from 200μl of BALF.” Their methods section detailed that this was achieved, “using the RNeasy Plus Universal Mini kit (Qiagen),” i.e. through spin column centrifugaEon. They claimed that, “ribosomal RNA depletion was performed during library construction,” however, see page 43 as to why this is dubious as there remained a high match for known human RNA sequences. They then proceeded to shotgun sequence the brew, starting with random fragmentation of the genetic material into short lengths averaging 150 nucleotides and conversion of the RNA to DNA using a reverse transcriptase enzyme. 56,565,92890 such short reads were generated and this information was fed into Megahit and Trinity, software platforms for de novo algorithm-based assembly. Through Megahit, 384,096 contigs, or hypothetical overlapping sequences were generated and the longest one (30,474 nucleotides) was declared to have a “nucleoEde identity of 89.1%” to bat SL-CoVZC45, another fictional construct that will be dealt with subsequently. (Trinity generated over 1.3 million contigs but the longest one was only 11,760 nucleotides — in other words, they would not have found the “genome” if they had just used this software platform.) The word ‘virus’ suddenly appeared when they state, “the genome sequence of this virus, as well as its termini, were determined and confirmed by reverse-transcription PCR.” This is a sleight of hand as the PCR simply amplifies pre-selected sequences and has no capacity to confirm a previously unknown genome. As PCR expert Stephen Bustin has explained,

    “PCR requires you to know what the sequence of your target is...so once you know that there’s something in your sample, then you would try to isolate it, yes. And then once you’ve isolated it, then you sequence it again, or PCR it up.”

    In other words, PCR itself cannot identify the origins of the sequences and the methodology of Fan Wu et al. did not establish the origin of their described sequences. However, in the very next sentence they announce to the world that, “this virus strain was designated as WH-Human 1 coronavirus (WHCV)”.

    ...it is this “genome” that was submitted to GenBank on the 5th of January 2020 that was seized on by Drosten et al. to help produce their phoney PCR protocol assay sequences, which in turn were published with indecent haste by the WHO for all the world to use, thereby turning WH-Human 1 into the world’s reference genome for a claimed pathogen. It is this invention that is responsible for the whole bag of destructive tricks imposed on the world following the announcement of the pandemic by the WHO on the 11th of March 2020.


    Why do you always jump the same conclusion of - "It's gotta be a virus!" Do you not realize humankind today is exposed to virtually thousands of toxic assaults (including EMF)? And that these toxic assaults have been known since day one to be very harmful to people? Have you ever considered looking into these as possible culprits first before blaming everything on a germ - and a germ which hasn't even been proven to exist, let alone to cause disease? Have you bothered to look at the research & known effeects of vaccinations, artificial EMF, medical & recreational drugs, pollution, pesticides & other man-made toxins, malnutrition, chronic stress, etc. There's no scientific confirmation that microbes cause any of the so-called 'viral' diseases, let alone that they're contagious.

    And it seems you don't know or understand the nature of exosomes. No one has said that exosomes cause disease, which would be silly anyway because exosomes are endogenous. What virus skeptics are saying is that virologists are mistaking exosomes (or other EVs) as pathogenic germs - not that EVs are disease-causing. Exosomes, and what are alleged to be 'virions', are identical in virtually every way (appearance & behavior) - so much so that scientists can't really differentiate them from what they believe to be viruses - as I already pointed out earlier.
     
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