“ Trump warns of ‘potential death and destruction’ if he’s indicted”

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  1. Nwolfe35

    Nwolfe35 Well-Known Member

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    There are only a couple of Presidents in the history of this country that, in my opinion, could have been indicted for crimes. One of them, Nixon, was pardoned by Ford (allegedly) to avoid the very political divisions we are now seeing over Trump. I think that move was wrong. A President is not a King, if he committed crimes than he needs to face the music just like any of us would.
    You and I disagree on whether or not Trump is guilty of something but I would hope we could at least agree that if a President commits a crime then he needs to face judgement for it.
    I have more faith in our elected officials than you do. Not out of some misplaced idea that these people have a greater sense of morality but out of the historical record of them being caught. If there were people to expose they get exposed. No need for a Trump. Especially no need for a corrupt person to be president in order to expose more corruption.
     
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    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sounds like you're describing the "Tea Party". It got swallowed up by the Republican Party. Trying to compete against either the Republican or Democratic Party is an extremely uphill battle. They won't even allow the consideration of a third Party to be part of the Presidential debates.
     
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    I don't know if the MAGA fringe is the majority...but they are a large enough minority that those who disagree with them are kowtowed into submitting because of the power of the primary.
    Primary elections give outsized power to the most extreme of a party because they are the ones most motivated to get out and vote. Then when the general election comes around the middle of the road party members are left to vote for the extremist in their party or the extremist from the other party.
    This is far greater problem (currently) in the Republican Party. The extremists in the GOP are not just hard right wing, they are (for the most part) complete lunatics.
    This is what Mitch McConnell was lamenting when he complained about "Candidate Quality"
    This last midterm election the crazies were nominated and the middle of the road party members finally had enough. They may not have voted for the Democrat but they sure as hell didn't vote for the likes of Herschel Walker and Mehemet Oz.
     
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    I'm totally on board with with investigating a POTUS for possible crimes. I'm not on board with never ending investigations, grasping for straws, with the sole purpose of preventing that person from ever running again. That only shows a lack of faith in our elections and the voters to make the right choice.

    Whataboutism alert!

    If the Democrats were more susceptible to investigating Joe Biden's connection to his son's business arrangement with China it might be more palatable for Republicans to get on board with investigating Trump. But what we see is a double standard when it comes to that. Some only call it "noise" to justify closing their ears to hearing even circumstantial evidence. You see this type of mindset when the "powers that be" made a concerted effort to shutdown discussions of Hunter's laptop on social media just prior to the 2020 election. It's as if they knew that if the story got out, Biden's chances of winning would be very slim, if not losing altogether. Many (enough to swing the election) have said that if they had known about the laptop story they would not have voted for Biden. That doesn't translate into them voting for Trump, but the number of voters favoring him would have outweighed those favoring Biden.
     
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    Trumps tactics are like the entire Democrat party and leftist media tactics, all folded into one person.
     
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    Yes it is exactly the kind of rhetoric that is needed today.
     
  7. Nwolfe35

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    Biden is being investigated is he not? If he isn't then what the hell is Jim Jordan doing?

    And the idea that the Republicans would be open to an investigation of Trump is hogwash. Twice Trump has been impeached. Twice the evidence was overwhelming and twice the Republicans in the Senate showed a complete lack of backbone (or maybe a complete willingness to sell out). On Jan 6th McConnell said, "“The mob was fed lies. They were provoked by the president and other powerful people.” He also said, "“If this isn’t impeachable, I don’t know what is,”

    And yet when it came time to vote to convict Trump in the impeachment, McConnell voted against it. So don't tell me that Republicans would be willing to investigate Trump.
     
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    Joe Biden being investigated? If he is the MSM sure isn't interested in it. But they have plenty to say about the ongoing investigations of DJT. You don't consider that a double standard?
     
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    A presidential candidate calling for violence is exactly what you think is needed.

    Wow. That’s a messed up view of the world.
     
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    Nah. Your jumping to conclusions.

    Trump has been investigated ad nauseum by the left in what amounts to witch hunts. So far, they have no indictments on him.

    It's not unreasonable to assume they will keep pressing.
     
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    I haven't ever voted for a republican president.

    I will in 2024.

    Seeing how the left is abusing government for political gain is infuriating.
     
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    Lack of indictments only means that indictments have not been issued. It's when the GJ decides not to issue/recomend indictments can you start talking about "witch hunts'
     
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    But the actual crimes and corruption of Trump is Okie Dokie in your book?
     
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    That's happened multiple times.

    The left seems to think being investigated is indication of guilt rather than a perverted use of government.

    The more perverted weaponization, the more suspected guilt.

    Thats not how it works.
     
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    Lol.

    Which ones?!

    Show me the guilty verdict?

    The left seems to think if they just keep saying he is criminal, he is.

    Can not one person show me the guilty verdict? He'll, just show me an indictment?
     
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    And you seem to think that a process that has not finished yet is indication of exoneration...and that's not how that works.
     
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    And Trump supporters seem to think that claiming he is not a criminal means that he is innocent.

    What's the point of showing you an indictment or a guilty verdict. You're just going to claim that the system is rigged.

    We've shown Trump and his supporters that there is no evidence of fraud in the 2020 AND 2022 elections, that hasn't stopped him (or them) from claiming that there was.
     
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    You would think so but no one thought he had a chance when he first ran either. Now with all this extra sewage attached to him one would expect this but his fanatical followers simply deny his sewage and roll in it.

    De Santis obviously wants to replace him. I see no difference in politics or ego or pathological lying between the two.

    I would prefer someone fresh and younger. As for the Dems, same thing.

    I think Al Franken would be my choice as President. He has good hair and is funny. In Canada I would elect myself so I can get free tickets to hockey and baseball games and I would take the train not airplanes and live in a very small trailer and become a vegetarian and practice yoga and model clothes for young Canadian designers. I will not get a fake hair weave or cap my teeth but I might consider lipo suction or teeth whitening.
    Do you know what a double standard even is. Clearly not.

    Is Biden:

    1. under investigation for tax evasion
    2. did he have his son in law accept a 2 billion dollar payment from the government of Saudi Arabia after being made his security advisor while in office-you try like many Trump supporters to claim Biden Jr. got pay outs but so far all anyone has seen is Trump trying to blackmail the current Ukraine leader for not providing false info on Biden Jr. and someone mysteriously obtain his lap top with supposed smoking guns that don't smoke but look remarkably like soggy limp noodles
    3.under investigation for influence peddling;
    4. under investigation for claiming elections where his candidates lost, false;
    5.impeached twice requiring the Democrats to vote to protect him;
    6.accused by 26 people of sexual assault not withstanding you and Trump supporters have tried your best calling him a pervert for his behaviour in full view of the public which although creepy was clearly not the same behaviour either in nature or frequency to what Trump has been accused of
    7.someone introduced to his wife a "model" who worked in a "modelling agency by a pimp who supposedly killed himself in jail and had ties to that "modelling agency";
    8.someone who denied Covid 19 existed and then told people to consider injecting themselves with bleach;
    9. someone unlike Trump who do not perform oral sex on Vladimir Putin or fat boy Kim of North Korea then turn around and try impugn others for having dirty mouths;
    10. refuse to hand back confidential papers when asked.

    Double standard? No. Biden has not been accused of or engaged in the same issues as Trump. If he had then you might begin to try argue a double standard BUT ONLY if they had the exact same charges, were both proven guilty, and one received a different sentence.

    No one has been charged with anything yet. Your attempt to falsely claim a double standard is an attempt at whataboutism the standard go to argument of Trump supporters. You try justify the stench and wrongdoings of Trump by deflecting and trying to argue yah what about Biden. No it does not deflect and no it does not make what Trump did acceptable.

    The deflections, the whataboutisms are pure b.s. If Biden did something illegal he should be investigated and if need be convicted. No two wrongs to not make a right and your attempt to argue that everyone is equally as low and immoral as Trump so its ok shows precisely what you stand for. You don't expect a standard of morality from ALL leaders, you settle for whatever excrement Trump emits and you roll in it as if its the standard for all politicians to aspire to.

    Stop playing with Trump's manure and spinning it to be gold.

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    He's got enough of a loyal following that he could get the Republican nomination, but he has zero chance of winning the general election in my opinion.
     
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    He will win the nomination

    It may come down to which party is blamed more after the economy collapses later this year when the debt ceiling is not raised. How much Anti-Biden vote there is among Independents will decide the election
     
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    Good grief, you keep mentioning Smollett and you don't know what happened with his sentence. !!!!!

    Funny that you call news fake. !!!
     
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    FYI, Rep Comer is investigating Biden and some other family members business dealings. !!!!!
     
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    There they go quoting a murderer !!!!
     
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    Yea, after the Republicans took control of the House, THEN investigations began.
     
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    Do you believe his illegal financial dealings with his prostitute are a witch hunt?

    Do you think his multiple efforts to coerce a state to change their election outcome is a witch hunt?

    Do you think the insurrection of Jan6 should have been ignored?

    You have to state which it is that should not be investigated.

    The fact that Trump was involved in a number of issues does NOT mean it is a witch hunt. It means he was involved in a number of issues.

    When some American citizen appears to have committed a long string of crimes we investigate those crimes. We don't give up on the grounds that it looks like a witch hunt.
     
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