Ron DeSantis on Ukraine

Nah, they already made their position pretty clear via the NATO general stating that they have an 'open door' policy to nato applications, and Biden's statements on 'not one inch of NATO land'. Everyone is aware of the quagmire that is developing. In fact, the articles that are coming out about some 'Russian propaganda campaign' is proof that they know there''s no appetite for war in Europe, or even the slightest risk of American involvement.

They just don't care, because you're right they don't need our votes per se. But the more it escalates and the more we're involved, Washington risks losing elections. This is how Nixon came to power, after the Democratic Party got into Vietnam and failed to get out of Vietnam.

 

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Really? I've been hearing for over a year this is the defining struggle of this generation, and that Ukraine MUST win; not "gee I hope they win, " but MUST win. And that we'll be with them for as long as it takes...this all sounds like a pretty good ramp up to me, but my tolerance for pretty overt propaganda is pretty low. Your mileage may vary.

 

Russians don't want to fight now, and I doubt their martial spirit will sharpen. Their capability is in free fall.

 

More imagination. Resolute defense of freedom and independence does not equal a desire for WW3. Conflating the two is an aim of Putin's propaganda.

 

We're not talking about offering buzzwords like freedom and independence. If all we were doing was posting hashtags, you'd be right. But we seem to be getting closer and closer to a conflict the longer this lasts.

 

Nonsense. The only thing we're getting closer and closer to is the point where some people lose their nerve. The Muscovites, in fact, are near collapse.

 

Fox News Calls Out Ron DeSantis for 'Flip-Flop' on Ukraine

 

How near are the "Muscovites (?)" to collapse?

 

It will be difficult for them to sustain a coherent response to the next Ukrainian offensive.
Russian Army Is So Degraded It Won't Recover in 'Lifetime'

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Jan 11, 2023 — "The entire Russian military is being degraded in less than a year and will not recover in my lifetime. Russia, and China, was considered a ...

 

So, where do you see them gunning for WW3? Them wishing for Ukraine to win, is simply not same as gunning for WW3. Did USSR gun for WW3 when they helped Vietnam fight us?

 

Bankrolling a war the people aren't behind bankrolling does seem all 'freedom and independence' to me. I think you're right. Just buzzwords.

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Every dollar spent on Ukraine was appropriated by elected Representatives and Senators in Congress.

 

Is this another "Ukraine will push the Russians out to the pre war borders" by the end of the year prediction?

 

It's just what I wrote.
Ukraine Conflict Updates
Putin’s continuation of these Russian offensive operations in the current operational and strategic context amounts to strategic malfeasance. It expends scarce Russian combat power in pursuit of operationally meaningless gains rather than setting conditions to receive and defeat a Ukrainian counter-offensive that everyone appears to expect imminently. . . . .

 

Wishing for them to win? No.

Gradually increasing our involvement? Yes. If you think (as the war hawks seem to think) that Ukraine winning the war is a vital US interest, and that we will increase our military involvement to keep Ukraine from losing; well that is going to lead to confrontations, like the one with the Russians crashed one of our drones. Since you don't have any limiting on the increase of US support we'll eventually have more and more confrontations with the Russians. I mean, that's what you want isn't it?

 

So when will the Russian Army collapse?

 

I remember when they said that about North Vietnam.

 

Hard to say, but their inability to mount a coherent defense will bring the possibility of collapse into play.

 

It's coherent enough that they control Ukrainian territory and not the other way around.

So your posting links about the Russian Army being near collapse was pointless since now you say "hard to say." If it's that hard to say that you can't even come up with a guesstimate I'd say it's not collapsing, or it would be in a full retreat by now.

 

Then I have to conclude the topic is too sophisticated for you.
The fundamental weaknesses in Muscovite forces have been identified: inadequate training, poor or missing equipment, low morale, unimaginative leadership, complete absence of NCO leadership, corruption, failed logistics, inadequate ammunition, lack of transport, and on and on. . . .
Exactly how those weaknesses will manifest themselves under the pressure of Ukrainian offensive operations will depend on specific circumstances of time and place, but manifest themselves they will.

 

From a future Biden voter? That's rich.

Filed under "Math Iz Hardz": We don't have enough weapons to keep Ukraine supplied and us safe.

'In late January we reported that U.S. military weapons stockpiles were so low that various commentators were describing the shortages as “uncomfortably low,” “insufficient,” “precarious,” and “dangerous” due to the large quantities of these weapons we had given free of charge to Ukraine: U.S. Weapons Stockpiles “Uncomfortably Low” Due To Arms Shipments to Ukraine:'

FREE OF CHARGE TO UKRAINE, NOT FREE OF CHARGE TO US.

'To date, the U.S. military has provided a “staggering” amount of military hardware and munitions to Ukraine in its defense against Russia’s invasion, amounting to more than $27 billion. This U.S. support has included over 1 million rounds of 155 mm howitzer ammunition. It has also included 8,500 Javelin anti-tank missiles, 32,000 anti-tank missiles of other types, 5,200 Excalibur precision 155 mm howitzer rounds, and 1,600 Stinger anti-aircraft missiles, among many other weapons systems and munitions.'

NO DEFERRED PAYMENT PLAN, HERE WE GIVE YOU THIS IN THE NAME OF THE US TAXPAYER, EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T SUPPORT IT TO "PROTECT DEMOCRACY" Oh, those at the top of the food chain giving way the produce of the serfs without their support is "democracy"?

That word, you keep using it. I do not think it means what you think it means.

 

Thanks for letting me know what I think. I had no idea. You would throw in the white flag right now and apologize to Putin. Its what you want, isn't it. You probably raved against Reagan too.

 

Probably won't happen until enough citizens who don't want to be there are forced with guns to their head to rush at the enemy in human wave attacks to their deaths as cannon fodder. If Putin keeps up this tactic with the millions who have fled Russia sending that info back to their friends and families in Russia, I am sure a revolt could happen in a year. That would collapse not only the army, but the government or at the very least get Putin jumping from the 11th floor of some building. All Ukraine has to do is hold off Russia long enough and we witness another hundred thousand Russians forced to die for Putin's folly.

 

We'll be fine.
Every dollar spent on Ukraine has been appropriated via democratic and constitutional processes through the elected representatives and senators of the US Congress.

 

Sure. Just like the creation of COVID in a Chinese Bioweapons lab was. Buried in massive bills that nobody reads might serve the Totalitarian Warmongers but it's not the "democracy" that the do-gooders in DC claim that they are spreading to other countries via 'bombs, bullets and missiles for good.'

Democrats Are The Party Of Spreading 'Democracy' Through War

Never mind that for the lifetimes of most of us, we leave the nations we 'save for democracy' in smouldering ruins.


Biden is thoroughly bribed by the Ukrainians. Zelensky has been promised by his Nazi Azov Battalions that they will kill him if he negotiates a ceasefire with Russia. So, he'll fight on as long as he can find someone to fund it, and his wife promptly went on a shopping trip after the new set of funding Congress delivered.

'Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who is expected to announce his candidacy for president, said that further support for Ukraine is not a “vital interest” of the United States. He' properly described 'the war between Russia and Ukraine as a “territorial dispute.”' He was clear that 'Russia is in the wrong, and he opposes 'an escalation of American involvement.'

IN OUR SYSTEM IT IS CONGRESS THAT DECLARES WAR

'Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Bakersfield), the new House speaker, has vowed that Republicans won’t agree to a “blank check” for aid to Ukraine.'

AS ANOTHER REPUBLICAN NOTED

“We are living on Planet Crazy, where we have hundreds of billions of dollars of our hard-earned American money being sent overseas to start World War III.”

THIS ELECTION WILL BE ABOUT JACKSONIAN VS WILSONIAN FOREIGN POLICY.

'America-first approach is gaining traction because it has significant backing from Republican voters, 40% of whom believe the U.S. is giving too much aid to Ukraine, compared with only 15% of Democrats who agree, according to the Pew Research Center.'

The do-gooder Wilsonianism is why DC agencies stick their noses into every dispute. It costs a lot of money and it generates a LOT of graft, and several GOP senators have gotten very rich off the warmonger approach:

'Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and former United Nations Ambassador and 2024 presidential candidate Nikki Haley, for example' is there ever a war they aren't for?

AMERICANS ARE LARGELY JACKSONIAN. Leave us alone, we'll leave you alone. We do not go abroad looking for dragons to slay. Show us respect and we'll be your best friend, attack us and we are your worst enemy, we will greet aggression against US with overwhelming force and give no quarter until you are completely destroyed.

40% of 'Republican voters believe the U.S. is giving too much aid to Ukraine, compared with only 15% of Democrats who agree', according to the Pew Research Center.

THAT NUMBER WILL GROW AS THE DEBT CEILING STRIKES UNFOLD THIS SUMMER.

Idiot 'Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee,' even dusted off the old domino theory that got us in the quagmire of Vietnam: “Today it is Russia and Ukraine. Tomorrow it will be other nations.”

DEMOCRATS WANT WARS AND INTERVENTIONS, GLOBALLY.

'According to a survey by the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, left wing Democrat voters now support putting boots on the ground around the world more than independents, moderate Democrats or Republicans.'