“ Trump warns of ‘potential death and destruction’ if he’s indicted”

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    I'm not saying it is illegal. I'm saying it is a shitty thing to do to brag about the fact that the terrorists among your followers will resort to violence if you are held accountable. Why do you disagree? By the way, judging from recent events, it looks like those who resort to violence against police in Trump's name get high-fives from GOP lawmakers and get to record a hit single with their Dear Leader.
     
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    That’s ridiculous. Biden wasn’t warning about people’s behavior.

    Trump was “warning” that people would behave violently if he was indicted. He was calling for them to become violent. Plain as day. You just refuse to acknowledge it.
     
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    Thanks for admitting that Trump is not criminally responsible for Jan 6th and that the whole entire committee thing was nothing but a biased partisan witch hunt out to get Trump when he hadn't done anything criminally wrong.
     
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    Based on currently available public info, no, I don't think he is. And I've said repeatedly that I don't think he'll be convicted for it unless there is more info that prosecutors have that we don't.

    You don't need to be found guilty of violating something currently legislated in order to be impeached. Bribery was an impeachable offense before there were any actual laws against bribery. That's part of the whole point of high crimes and misdemeanors. As far as the criminal investigation goes, it depends on what else they have but it is certainly worth investigating.
     
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    Foaming at the mouth etc., is Trump dialogue. The fact you now may want to support De Santis who is also a pathological liar means little to me. The moment you start to use word like radical left, witch hunt, weaponizing government agencies, foaming at the mouth you sure as hell have not used it towards Trump's behaviour.

    Trump supporters now switching to De Santis fool no one. You want more of the same extremist dialogue full of stereotypes and conspiracies flung at anyone who does not agree with you.

    Yah yah you don't support Trump just all the behaviour he engages in.
     
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    “ Trump warns of ‘potential death and destruction’ if he’s indicted”

    Politicians certainly say the silliest things during election season. Well, outside of election season too, if we want to be accurate.
     
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    Claiming that your followers will engage in terrorism if you are indicted goes a bit beyond just saying "silly things."
     
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    That is not what he said. He and I and anyone who is not a blinded Trump supporter know exactly what his role was and remains in regards to inciting not just the Jan.6 riot but other group and individual acts of violence before and after those riots including last week calling on people to engage in violence again if he was arrested.

    What we have said stated is he ismorally responsible for his behaviour and the harm it has caused and will cause and should be criminally accountable as well. No one has stated any criminal judgement has been rendered.

    We sure as hell have said over and over again he is morally responsible and SHOULD be criminally accountable for what he did so stop deflecting from your refusal to acknowledge the moral reprehensibility of what he has done misstating our position to avoid acknowledging his words.
     
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    True. Impeachment is not a judicial process. It is a political process. No crime is required. A government official can be impeached for wearing mismatched socks if it can pass the house vote. The founders assumed that impeachment would only occur for illegal activity. They couldn't have foreseen what the nation would become after a couple of hundred years. I can't even believe what it has become over the past 50 years.
     
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    Why do you think that? It has no real meaning or consequence. It is silly to say something like that.
     
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    So, when facing a possible indictment, it is perfectly fine to threaten that your followers are terrorists and will engage in terrorism if you are subject to the rule of law? I'm afraid we'll never agree on that.
     
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    Why? It isn't true. He can suggest it all he wants but I doubt his words will change anything. Terrorists will do terrorist things whether they are asked or not. Normal people will do normal things. It is nonsense.
     
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    There is little on which we agree.
     
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    "High crimes" has been used to refer to official misconduct for which there is not yet any legislated crime. The Constitution specifically mentioned bribery as an impeachable offense and there were no laws yet criminalizing bribery, for example.
     
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    Since you can't even bring yourself to criticize someone for threatening terrorism if he's held to the rule of law, obviously not.
     
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    Im not a Trump supporter at all, yet I don’t see him inciting a riot. If Michael Browns step father can shout burn this mf’er down, and burn this bitc*, down, then that occurs immediately after he said it, and he doesn’t catch a charge, then Trump saying to protest peacefully cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, be charged.
     
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    So, you're OK with impeaching Biden then.
     
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    How can you be held criminally accountable for something you admit was not illegal?
     
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    I see. So Trump and Biden are both calling for violence.

    CNN, Biden sends a stark ***warning about political violence*** ahead of midterms: ‘We can’t take democracy for granted any longer’, By Kevin Liptak, MJ Lee, Betsy Klein and Phil Mattingly, CNN, Updated 5:38 AM EDT, Thu November 3, 2022. (*** mine)
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/02/politics/biden-speech-democracy-dc/index.html

    Should we indict them both? Or just praise all the bipartisan consensus? ;-)
     
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    I criticize Trump all the time. I also criticize those who attack him relentlessly and senselessly. He is a bad man. Feel better now?
     
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    No doubt bribery is an impeachable offense. I offered up mismatched socks as another impeachable offense. No crime is required. The only requirement is the motivation to impeach.
     
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    Who said "‘All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."?
    Apply that approach to "Equal Justice for All", and you can see how things work in the real world when pigs start walking on their hind legs. ;-)

    CNN, Michael Brown’s stepfather at rally: ‘Burn this bitch down!’, By Ray Sanchez, CNN
    Updated 2:05 PM EST, Mon December 8, 2014.
    https://www.cnn.com/2014/11/25/us/michael-brown-stepfather-video/index.html
     
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    Hopefully. There is little more entertaining than a juicy impeachment. :)
     
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    I am satisfied that Biden is not Trump nor a Trump wannabe. I am not going to give the Republican Party one iota of support as long as Trump and Trumpism is a part of the party. It's that simple. I don't care how bad you think Biden is, he is not Trump.
     
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    Compared to our professional party bosses Trump is more like Baba on Puffin Rock.
     

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