DeSantis Calls Putin a ‘War Criminal,’ Clarifying Earlier Comment on Ukraine

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  1. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Florida has long been a running joke. Ever try the game of googling "Florida man arrested"?
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Hey, you totally forgot to mention the law that requires bloggers who write about DeSantis, to register with the state! :roflol:
     
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    That was just a single Republican lawmaker and isn’t really associated with the desantis administration, all the other items are things that he has done or that people hired by him have tried to do.

    If that’s what you believe in then he’s your man but since you find it hilarious to see egregious abuses of power I will reevaluate my original assessment.
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    How confident are you that you will be able to support all of what you linked to DeSantis under my scrutiny?
     
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  5. Condor060

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    So you think Trump should have done more and started WW3?
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am sure you won’t like any source provided and instead will have 4000 irrelevant questions and then be moved back into my ignore column

    But sure, pick one you were not aware of.
     
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    Oh I was on your ignore list? Why did I come off it?
     
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  8. chris155au

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    "Irrelevant questions" meaning my intense scrutiny which you can rarely stand up to. So let's go, let's see how you do this time:
    Attack? You mean that he removed a sweetheart deal that the government was giving Disney.

    FACT CHECK: Florida weighs mandating menstrual cycle details for female athletes | AP News

    Don't be a hypocrite. You don't believe that every single book should be available to kids.

    Can you support this? Let me guess... the AP African American studies thing? :roflol:

    No idea what you are referring to. Can you support this?

    Visitor logs in which context?

    Don't be a hypocrite. You don't believe that kids should be exposed to absolutely EVERYTHING.
     
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    You were doing so well! Catch you next time! :roflol:
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Numerous parks have special districts as they are more efficient than having the state run them.

    Had this just been a reevaluation and impacted multiple entities that would have been different but they targeted Disney over their speech, which you are fine with.

    Don’t make excuses, own it

    Your article says they were considering it — what are you taking issue with?

    Strawman and concession accepted

    As well as removing school boards and replacing them with his own partisans

    The Disney thing is the most obvious, attacking a place where his own agents saw no violations and revoking their liquor license is another.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/24/us/politics/desantis-travel-records-florida-republicans.html

    Strawman and concession accepted
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wish I could say the same for you

    But hey, at least you can take comfort in your smilies
     
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    We both agree that kids should not be exposed to everything!
     
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    DeSantis was right the first time; it is a territorial dispute in which the US and NATO are the aggressors. They want the war to begin in 2022, and ignore the 8-14k people killed in Donbas since 2014.

    The war criminals are those who cheer on the Ukrainians to fight to the last man, so they can weaken their perceived enemy, Putin, from their couches. It's dishonorable and disgusting. Let me know when they are almost out of Ukrainians to kill for their Putin crusade, so we know when we've run out of time to predict what peoples they intend to sacrifice next to prove their virtue.
     
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  14. Think for myself

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    Yes, the US are aggressors, having invaded Ukraine in a effort to annex it into a Russian territory,. Brilliant thesis!
     
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    This was not just "speech." They were actively attempting to interfere in what the government was doing.

    Who do you think "THEY" was? The DeSantis administration? Remember, your claim was that the administration was pushing to have females record and report their periods to the state.

    Admission of hypocrisy accepted.

    Can you support this?

    Which agents?

    "Martin said he sponsored the bill at the request of the Department of Law Enforcement, which told him that the volume of public records requests for the information was concerning."

    “They were like, wait a second, if all of this gets out, people can put together things that we’re doing to protect the governor and figure out who the people we have, and which hotels we stay at, and things like that,” Martin said after the vote. “I don’t think we’re trying to hide what the governor is doing or who he’s meeting with. I think what we’re trying to do is protect the people that are protecting him.”
    DeSantis’, other officials’ travel records would be secret under Florida bill (tampabay.com)

    Admission of hypocrisy accepted.

    No evidence that this is what happened with the AP stuff. Try proving that. If you can that is!
     
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  16. GlobalCitizen

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    Look at a map please. It is US bases and weapons that encroach upon Russia. One cannot ignore the 8-14k deaths in Donbas prior to the 2022 invasion. One cannot ignore that Putin could have easily seized all of Ukraine east of the Dniepr river in 2014 when he seized Crimea, and with a little more effort, probably all of Ukraine. But he did not. He waited to fight until we had armed Ukrainians to the teeth. When Bush threatened to bring Georgia into NATO in 2008, did Putin invade? Yes. Does he occupy Georgia today, even though he flattened their capital, and could have easily done so? No.

    The above facts completely destroy the Biden administration's narrative of Putin on the warpath, ready to dominate all of Europe. It is clear to any rational observer that Putin is reacting to US aggression. Do I wish he would have reacted differently? Sure. But that doesn't change the root cause.
     
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    Encroach?
     
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    Yes, encroach. As in, if Russia had bases in Mexico City, Havana, Calgary, Kingston, and Veracruz, with openly stated plans to make bases in Tijuana, Nogales, and Vancouver, that would be encroachment upon the US. Especially if they intended to place S400 missiles and even more advanced weapons in those locations.
     
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    So the Russian war on Ukraine has nothing to do with socioeconomic imperialistic gains along with military advantage?
     
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    If that were the case, then one must assume that Putin is really stupid. Because nothing was stopping him in 2014 from taking half of Ukraine with ease. If one is acting out of a desire to gain military advantage, they don't watch their opponent get armed to the teeth for 8 years before attempting to seize the rest of their country. One doesn't allow Georgia to remain an independent state when their military has been crushed, and no other military is coming to help. The imperialistic narrative doesn't add up.
     
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    No surprise that Piers did not mention Bush & Co being convicted of war crimes in April 2012. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney Found Guilty of War Crimes (esquire.com)

    But I already knew Piers is very much a propagandist along with the rest.

    Putin is defending his country after more than a decade of seeking diplomatic solutions, and Piers and DeSantis and the rest call him a war criminal, even as they remain silent about the war crimes committed by many men occupying the White House.

    Hypocrisy rules in Washington DC
     
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    I don't know why one must assume that.
     
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    UKRAINE LIVID THAT THEIR TERRITORIAL DISPUTE WITH RUSSIA WON'T BE ALLOWED TO DESTROY GLOBAL TENNIS.

    Wimbledon Lifts Ban On Russian & Belarusian Tennis Players
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    'They must sign 'neutrality statement'... but Ukraine livid.'

    The Nazi backed authoritarians in Kiev think that they should be able to order around global tennis as casually as they close churches in Ukraine, bribe the Bidens, and demand a blank check and an endless time commitment from the American People, who do not back either of these.

    We were perfectly open to the case being made to Congress in open debate followed by recorded vote, but, clearly those that demand this massive commitment from the American People also demand that we comply without objection, a demand that we always respond to with raised fingers and the suggestion that they go screw themselves.
     
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