THE UKRAINIAN ARMY HAS BEEN DEFEATED. WHAT’S LEFT IS MOP-UP

Thats false.. prove your claim .. and what a whiny and fallacious response .. nothing but unsupported false accusation. Fallacy all you seem capable of .. whilst projecting your failings onto others .. such as the above.

You don't even know what Ad Hom Fallacy is mate .. and have no idea what propaganda-censorship are .. a fact you have demonstrated profusely. Ya been drinking the kool-aid without knowing its spiked .. and so your positions have been faulty .. and you are butt-hurt for being wrong .. and want to blame me for pointing out these flaws .. and I understand .. but you must exercise control Brother D .. then go learn some History

 

Think thats what the nukes in Belarus are for .. ?!

 

We still haven't given Ukraine ATACMS or aircraft, for instance. I also felt that it held us back severely when this thing got started. Everyone is deathly afraid of escalating the conflict because nukes. We're all over Syria and several other countries, but we don't want to risk anger big, bad, nuclear-armed Putler.

 

I said: "if".

 

Reckless. Not worth.

 

But WHERE is the KABOOM? You SAID there would be an earthshattering, KABOOM!

 

What's reckless? Ukraine attacking military targets on Muscovite soil? They don't seem to agree with your assessment. Seems they're not too afraid of being nuked over this dirt war.

It would be hard for Putler and pals to sell this war and a loss in Ukraine as an existential threat to Mother Russia, anyway, even with all of the control they have over the information space within Muscovy. Plus, they know that they would create a real existential threat for themselves if they actually went ahead with it.

I believe Biden has made clear to them that a use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine will not lead to victory. Quite the contrary.

 

You pose as lecturing this forum that Biden should have listened to you and stationed US military troops in the Balkans. Let me be direct. I claim you are a Russian troll and are uttering nonsensical, illiterate statements about Ukraine and the United States and the "if" does not change the implications of the nonsense you have written.

In fact U.S. Army ground forces have been deployed to the Balkans since December 1995.

That has amounted to more than $2 billion to build camps and implement services to sustain deployed personnel. The US plays plenty and takes its role as the leader of NATO very seriously. I am not American I am Canadian. My country has soldiers in the Balkans but compared to the US does not pay the same % of revenue from its taxes to NATO or for that matter other international operations as does the US. My country is fortunate to share the longest undefended border in the world with the US and no we do not fret the US will invade us and in fact we have benefitted from their security network including NORAD and mutual naval search and rescue operations.

So I am the first to say that in fairness and defend the US for what it does and thank them and tell you to stop with the pretending to be a US military expert lecturing Biden. He was on the US Foreign Intelligence Committee while you were probably in diapers in Moscow.

"If"? If what:


https://www.ft.com/content/a1a242c3-9000-454d-bec7-c49077b2cc6c

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_136388.htm

 

100k caskets sent to Russian mothers. Are they holding that against Putin? I was in Iraq when we had it under control. Then the Iranian-backed militias came, and taught insurgents how to penetrate our armor with EFP's, and we saw a sharp rise in our casualties. Do you think I was blaming my leader for my fallen and maimed comrades?

It is reckless to assist a country in attacking the soil of a nuclear armed country. I know you know that. This is dangerous to my family, and I'm being lied to about the level of danger.

Oh Biden has made it clear that using nukes to obtain victory is impossible? Is it impossible to use nukes to obtain vengeance ?

 

I suspect what you say is true but I am not sure to what extent because while its fair to speculate the above we also see NATO has not exactly been silent nor has the US particularly US activities on the Black Sea and its a not well kept secret British, Canadian, Polish and American trainers and commandos or special forces are on the ground in Poland and/or Ukraine assisting on going Ukraine operations. In regards to jet fighters, the true issue there is training. Ukraine does not have pilots capable of flying F15's, F16's, F18's and so has asked for old MIGs not those F series fighters. The US also not so subtley send 350 Harrier jump jets from its Marines to get repaired in Europe, i.e., Poland recently. Oh gee those could be transferred or called upon quickly in exactly the kind of ground war in Ukraine.

Look I am not sure how much of Putin's passing gas about nukes works or not psychologically. I would speculate you of course make a point we all probably think and should take seriously yes, but D the question is behind closed doors does Putin really frighten anyone any more or is he like Hitler in the final days where his troops are a mess and his officers are afraid to tell him the reality of the ground.

 

They have been asking for western jets (and the training to go with them, of course). It's western leaders who always deliver a flat NO when asked about it.

 

They have only themselves to blame. We didn't invade Muscovy and kill hundreds of thousands.

 

Get a grasp of the English language. I said if Biden did this, then we don't have to worry about that. If he did, which I never said he didn't, then good, your worries of a march on the Baltics is highly unlikely, and we don't have to discuss it.

 

I am guessing on how the Russian people view this war. It's disrespectful to assume that I'm fabricating my guess out of whole cloth. I have the key fact that I need to make a guess: 100k caskets sent to Russian mothers. I can imagine 100k caskets draped in American flags going through Dover AFB. And I can guess as to the mood of my fellow citizens if that happened. It's called placing oneself in another's shoes in order to gain insight. But a key prerequisite to this strategy of finding the truth is that one must view the people whose shoes one steps into, as in fact people

 

Your assessment of blame is irrelevant to my family's safety. Who the Russians blame is of paramount importance to it.

 

Iraq's ground situation had nothing to do with nukes or what is happening in Ukraine.

Next the US never had Iraq under contro. It had specific zones temporarily occupied and even then they were never under total control and no one in the US Armed Forces ever claimed that. Anyone could get shot in any sector on the ground anywhere in Iraq. That military uniform made everyone a death target. Comrades? Your comrades?

The turmoil in Iraq led in 2006 to high-ranking retired generals demanding Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld's resignation because of the wide spread chaos. Where were you and your "comrades".

Haliburton who was who Rumsfeld worked for, landed a 39.5 billion contract. They used to pay private contractor security forces (including Blackwater) much more money than US soldiers to protect Haliburton projects while US soldiers were placed in direct fire.

Haliburton obtained liucrative security contracts who operated outside US military laws and/or as "advisor consultants" to the CIA who also worked outside the US military laws while soldiers got blamed for their behaviour and conduct.

Comrades? They were called US soldiers. They were sniped at, spit at, bombed, shot at, did all the dirt work while Haliburton's private contractors made a fortune and got all the best jobs.

Tell me "comrade" about Iranian EFP's. Anyone can go on the internet and read EFP's wereused by the Shiite militias and were shaped and about the size of a coffee can with a slightly concave end and full of explosives and could get through several inches of armour.

And?

In every ground skirmish in the Middle East a variation of these types of bombs were and are made and used against trucks, jeeps, armoured carriers.

Stop raising issues that have nothing to do with Ukraine.

Any US soldier in Iraq knows the double standard about Blackwater.

 

And you know who always got the most blame for all the caskets coming home from our wars? Our leaders. At no point was there ever a serious suggestion that we go nuking another country because, oh waaah, they're killing our soldiers in a war on foreign soil.

 

It's very relevant. Angry Muscovite mothers don't have the nuclear launch codes.

 

It depends on who they are angry at. If it's us, it widens Putin's options, and I repeat, some of which harm me and my family.

 

What is disrespectful is you claiming you speak for anyone when you admit you barely have access to anything going on in Russia. What is disrespectful is you speaking for Russians and claiming key facts. You do not. You are a pro Putin shrill spewing a pro Putin line of propaganda and I challenge it. Fellow citizens? You mean your "comrades"? You do not speak for US military in Iraq, Russians in Russia, Ukrainians, any Americans but yourself and me myself. You don't place yourself in anyone's shoes you don't even know where their shoes are. You project your subjective opinion onto people you do not know and presume they have your views. You claim to speak the opinions of others without ever having asked them.

I speak for no one but I will say this to you-you do not speak for Ukrainians, any soldier, any innocent civilian. You speak for Putin script comrade.

 

Your script is defective. You repeat an appeasement script that anyone who dares stand up to Putin endangers you.

Guess what comrade-the only danger begins and ends with you thinking the way to deal with a fascist is to appease them and empower their threats.

Move along with the Moscow script. Been there. Read it. Tell me you are worried about your family? I call that out as bullshit. Using your claim, your family is more important that the families in Ukraine and the families in Russia who are forced to send their sons to death. Bullshit to that.

 

I don't like Biden or Putin. But only one threatened to fire me repeatedly for not taking an experimental drug. Only one repeatedly shamed me and called me unpatriotic. It wasn't Putin. Words have consequences. Especially from a "leader".

 

No, it does not. Putler has no option to start a nuclear war. You're not being realistic at all. You just sound like someone trying to spread Muscovite fear-mongering agitprop.

 

It's immoral to cheer on a war from one's couch that one has no intention of fighting in.

 

You can thank Putler for many American deaths in this regard, actually, since Muscovy was helping spread vaccine disinformation that led to fewer vaccinations and consequently many deaths.

Maybe we should nuke the Kremlin for vengeance. I'm sure that would be justified.