For anyone who is supporting DeSantis in the primary over Trump (especially anyone who voted for Trump in the past)... Given that: [1] DeSantis wouldn't have become the Governor of Florida if not for President Trump's endorsement of him in his primary race, which provided a HUGE boost to his struggling campaign at the time... [2] DeSantis wouldn't have won re-election as Governor of Florida if not for the Florida voters' approval of his first-term job as Governor and their support for his bid to continue doing that same job for another four years... The question: If DeSantis is more than willing to stab President Trump in the back by running against him for President after he helped him become Governor, and is more than willing to stab Florida voters in the back by abandoning his duties as Governor to run for President (against the guy who those voters actually want to be their President) after those voters helped him remain Governor, then what makes you think that DeSantis wouldn't just as quickly stab YOU in the back after YOU help him become President?
Most people recognize Trump for the train wreck he is and proved to be while in the White House. They may support right-wing policies and be conservative but that in no way means they automatically want the dumpster fire to return. DeSantis has the MAGA playbook without all of Trump's extremely extensive collection of personal baggage and behavior problems. DeSantis can make himself look like a leader when he wants to, even presidential, another aspect Trump has not and will never achieve. He even trolls the left, which is an extremely important, if not the most important, factor for MAGA voters. He hasn't yet made himself unelectable like Trump has. He's Trump 2.0, now with less boorishness, megalomania, habitual lying, immaturity, and temper tantrums.
Pal, if Donald Trump is more than willing to cheat on his wife, then cheat on his second wife, then cheat on his third wife, what makes you think he would be any more faithful to you or any of the other dupes he’s conned into voting for him? The extent of the Trump voter’s foolishness is boundless.
As a two-time voter for Trump for president let me say I'm done with him and his antics. It's time to ditch the silliness and bravado and elect a real executive for a change. DeSantis would be my choice as things stand today.
Loyalty has to be shown in both directions, otherwise it's just bootlicking. TFG has shown that he's willing to throw pretty much anyone under the bus. I don't think De Santis is under any obligation. I don't think it's any kind of betrayal for him to pursue his own ambitions at this point. TFG has shown himself to be a failing leader. His inability to own responsibility for losing in 2020 is a glaring symptom of that failure. He'll do anything, blame anybody, rather than shoulder the culpability for his own losses.
Trump is DJT... who the heck is TFG? Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig were on the same team and competed with one another. Nothing wrong with that. LET THE BEST MAN WIN!
I'd sure like to have DJT's gas prices back... and his much more secure border... and his lower crime... and his secure skies... and his lower inflation... and no national embarrassment in Afghanistan... and no endless waste of taxpayer dollars in Ukraine...
It’s supposed to be The Former Guy, because that’s all he is, a has-been. No denying he is also that f*****g guy, too.
Where did I say anything about his policies? Though I have objections to some of them as well. My post here was about his (nonexistent) sense of loyalty.
He's competing. Didn't you ever try to be the best on your team when you played ball in school? Your opponent team had to be beaten, but you wanted to be the best on your team too.
All this could be said of De Santis as well. I don't think we have a real difference on this topic. I don't think there's much to distinguish the two from each other, but I hope the better man comes out ahead.
Besides being incorrect about the bolded statements, they are all irrelevant to what I asked. I asked "what makes you think that DeSantis wouldn't just as quickly stab YOU in the back after YOU help him become President?" You didn't answer the question, although it likely doesn't pertain to you because I assume you aren't voting for DeSantis or Trump.
His personality traits are irrelevant to me... I just care about results, and Trump produced results for the working class like none other has done since Reagan. I'd say he was even better than Reagan. ... and that gets back to my OP question, which you didn't answer... I guess if I'm 'done' with anything, it wouldn't be antics but rather corrupt establishment backed/funded/managed candidates, and DeSantis is "Jeb! 2.0"
Can't lose an election that was never held. Fraud is not an election. You didn't answer the question btw.
Eisenhower cheated on his wife with Kate Sommersby... no one cared JFK cheated on his wife with Marilyn... no one cared Clinton cheated on his wife with an island full of nubile young babes... no one cared If I want moral guidance I'll call my priest. If i want cheaper gas, lower inflation, fewer fentanyl deaths, a secure border, secure skies, and such... I'll call Trump
Yup, and that's why I'm supporting Trump because Trump is the only candidate running on Trump's policies, and I don't see any reason to vote for someone else when the real deal is still here and still fighting.
This is all fair enough. But to the OP, I think there's still a loyalty issue on DeSantis' part... milking off of Trump and MAGA in order to become governor and then turning against him for mega dollars... and then being re-elected by the people of Florida to be governor, not to abandon them to be president. Trump comes across as much more straightforward and authentic to me. Authenticity is where DeSantis loses me...
I think it's been shown pretty conclusively that the election of 2020 wasn't fraudulent. Every single one of TFG's attempts to have it overturned in court failed, even when his own appointees were presiding. His attempt at coercing the Secretary of State in GA backfired. Last but not least, his half-a**ed last ditch coup attempt sputtered out pitifully. Actually I did. The question posed was why I would trust De Santis not to stab me in the back since he was disloyal to TFG. I answered that De Santis has no obligation to a man leading the GOP into oblivion.
The premises leading up to your questions are in themselves questionable. I'm not sure you're giving either Desantis or Floridians enough credit to get the word out (Desantis') or Floridians being able to make a decision in their own interest without Trump telling them who they should elect. Having said that, most candidates for any office will promise you the moon and struggle to deliver on the promise. Anyone who really believes they will deliver on everything promised is politically naive. Is it stabbing YOU in the back if they don't fully deliver on their campaign promises? I say -- no.
Refusing to be led to another losing election season is not disloyalty. It is an attempt to reunite a factionalized party. McCarthy could barely get elected Speaker of the House with a GOP majority. bank TFG tends to oversimplify the world. It's not as black and white as he likes to pretend. He also has a tendency to be careless with the truth - altering weather maps being one of the more egregious examples. He's not very bright - wanting to nuke hurricanes and recommending people inject antiseptic as a COVID preventive stand out. Both of the previous are obvious reasons to downvote him: stupid liars rarely prosper. And TFG hasn't prospered. He lost money on a casino, fachrissake. He has declared bankruptcy multiple times. I don't like the GOP (or the Democrats), but I think they and the American people deserve better than to be led by a boastful stupid liar.
He never anted to nuke a hurricane... lighten up... learn to recognize jokes and snide comments... sheesh. Get a life. He declared bankruptcy 8 times with 506 companies. 99%+ success rate... and even those bankruptcies were reorganizations, not dissolutions.
