Thousands Come To Christ

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  1. Nwolfe35

    Nwolfe35 Well-Known Member

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    That is a claim, it is not a reason. You would have to prove your claim before it became a reason.

    Once again, religion asks us to throw out our ability to reason in order to believe that which has no evidence.
     
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    did your God start on his own, or did my God create him? would that be reason enough for you to believe in my God over yours?

    and if your God always existed, then everything else could have always existed too

    some things we just have to admit are unknown
     
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  4. Nwolfe35

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    And that is the #1 reason most people believe in a god.....fear of the unknown. They would rather have an explanation they can't prove and, to be honest, really doesn't explain anything, than to admit to "I don't know"
     
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    Which one? How do you claim to know? Because a book told you? Because your parents taught you that if you fail to follow that book you will burn in hell for all of eternity?

    Hogwash.

    I've been dead. I've seen what happens when we die, at least the initial phases of it. I can tell you from first-hand personal experience of my own that what you think is out there is not. The rules you think apply do not. There is no such thing as hell, no such thing as eternal damnation. Despite my own personal doubts about whether the dude presently known as Jesus Christ even existed as an individual human, whether special or not, I faced no judgement, no inquisition, no punishment. That is, again, from my own personal experience, not some book that my parents recommended because their parents recommended it, all based on fear of reprisal, and a 'believe, just in case' mentality. Those are quite different things, no?
     
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    Thank God you came back from the dead. Sounds like an unpleasant experience.
     
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    That is irrelevant. We didn't make ourselves. Where our Parents came from is irrelevant to the honor we owe to them as our Parents. God is God, and that is enough. To know more is not to care more. To care must have a beginning. The adversary knows from eternity before creation and all earth history to now. Yet he cares not one whit.
     
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    No, religion and especially does not ask us to thow out our abilitiy of reason. In fact, reason is one of God's great gifts to mankind. The difficulty with your comment is some people think reason alone is sufficient for understanding our world. It's not.
     
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    we can label the unknown as God if it makes us feel better, but it's still unknown
     
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    I disagree. To know more is to care more. Taking time to consider the idea carefully is caring. It is being careful. To just discard an idea or accept an idea without due consideration is the very definition of carelessness.
     
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    If I recall correct, When Moses had returned he found the Hebrews were building an idol dedicated to "The unknowable god". God proved otherwise with Moses delivering God's Ten Commandments

    Unknown does not equate to unknowable.
     
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    Give me another method that has provided any kind of reliable understanding of our world.
     
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    I know that God is real, that he lives and is divine. I haven't come to this by reading, hearing, believing, concluding, wishing, tradition, conjuring, surmising, reasoning, or imagining. I know it by the visitation of his spirit, who I recognized and then remembered upon his filling of my heart, body, mind, and soul. Otherwise I couldn't say he is God in whom I live, had I not remembered and known him when his spirit visited me. There are many paths to belief. But one cannot know for certain that God lives by any other means than either the visitation of his spirit or by himself in person.

    As a type, I can tell you that Popeyes chicken is good. But I can't prove it. I can't eat to your satisfaction and nourishment, or drink to your refreshment. You have to find that out for yourself.

    "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches." Revelation 3:20-22
    I don't quote this as the source of my testimony, but as an affirmation after the fact. What John wrote two thousand years ago is true now as it was then. The Apostles knew the living God. It isn't anymore make believe than the universe, earth, or mankind.
     
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    Athiests don't understand the power of prayer. Prayer does not change God to my knowledge but God changes man. Often times God changes the person praying.

    "Seek and you will find"
     
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    Perrhaps to you it's unknown, it's not to me.
     
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    No other method is required.
     
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    Whether or not Popeye's chicken is good is an opinion. Some may like it, others may not.
    The fact that the Popeyes restaurant chain exists is a fact, and that CAN be proved.

    You cannot prove the existence of a god and until you can no one (including you) has a good reason to believe that it exists.
     
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    I agree, no other method than reason is needed. You were the one that said reason was not the only method.

    Name a method, other than reason, that has provided even the smallest of insights into the world around us.
     
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    so the story says, but if it was a God that was making the tablets, doubt it would take that long, and the fact there are no tablets... makes it all kinda sound fishy doesn't it
     
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    so you don't have faith, you have knowing?
     
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    I have
    I have both faith and knowing. They're not incompatable.
     
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    For you reason alone is sufficient, not for me. Several of us here have told you how to know God, but you don't understand. So be it.
     
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    if you know something is true, you don't need faith, as you know it

    but people are free to believe what they want
     
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    What if I have faith in what I know?
     
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    like I said, people can believe whatever they want and have faith in it
     

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