Is birth control next?

It’s funny to me that public education includes (mandated in 30 states I believe) sex ed in the US but I’m sitting here wondering what they actually teach. I thought that was one main justification for having sex ed.

 

It is very hard to find white babies in the USA, and it is also very hard not to find mentally compromised black babies due to drugs. Black mothers rarely give up their babies for adoption. I would imagine the new crop of South American females will put the cartels in the adoption business sooner than later.

 

I’m solidly in the camp that gives the woman a minute to think, but only think for a MAX of 12 weeks. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% of abortions happen in that time frame. Most second trimester abortions are due to health reasons. Third trimester abortions aren’t a thing unless the mother or baby are going to die without the procedure. The earliest a premie has survived outside the womb was 21 weeks, 5 days. That is incredibly early, and it seems things have to go 100% right for really early premies to survive.

About 20% of pregnancies end in a natural miscarriage. It’s not truly viable until the second trimester. That’s why so many couples wait until week 13 to announce. We were in a tiny circle of people who knew we had a grandchild on the way. The circle was so small, it only included those ranked grandparent or higher. Even the siblings didn’t know until week 13. This is common.

 

Not sure I see your point, here. I’m under no obligation to ensure you get a healthy white baby at my personal expense.

 

I had sex ed; circa 1981, sophomore in HS. We were taught the basics using anatomy charts. There were some movies about STDs and avoiding pregnancy. I never had to treat a 5 pound bag of flour like a baby, though I know many did.

I do remember the health teacher making a witty comment about teenagers being horny. I don’t remember the exact comment, but it would likely make some grown ass adult heads explode, now. We weren’t such fragile snowflakes back then. I definitely miss that feature of my past.

 

Thanks. That’s a well thought out position. I’m definitely in the sooner is better camp!

I guess the grandchild has arrived or I wouldn’t be in the circle?

 

I’ve never fallen in love so fast. The moment that baby hit my arms, I was blubbering. He’s right at four months.

 

Mate she says shaking her head - I got snarky earlier on this thread because I am sooooo tired of having to explain that there is a vast difference between “perfect use” and “typical use” with contraception. So many on here think that the reason for unwanted pregnancy is women being “too lazy” to use contraceptives. Research and experience has shown that if LARCS are affordable and accessible the abortion rates go down

 

I think there are very small numbers of people that are actually interested in preventing you from having birth control.

 

But but but jeebus.

 

LARCS?

 

Your zygote could go full term and then go to a couple who wouldn't have to buy stolen kids on the black market.

 

Or it might not. Lol. It’s only a potential sentient life when a zygote.

 

We are going in the wrong direction here unfortunately. About 49% of abortions in the US occur in those who reported NOT being on some form of birth control the month before conception. That number seems to be increasing as it was only about 46% in the year 2000.

We certainly are failing in education somewhere as I agree education about contraceptives and their limitations is the best way to decrease abortion rates. If almost 50% of abortions are in those not using any contraceptive we are doing something wrong as a society. Then you have to figure a good share of abortions in those using a contraceptive could have been avoided with better education on proper use and limitations of different methods.

Don’t know the answer but I think we have a problem.

 

Abstinence only educated kids, and kids who get almost no education outside of gangs are the two largest sources of unwanted pregnancies.

Teenagers have been horny since teenagers were invented. It’s by design, actually. Let’s ignore this at our own peril.

 

LOL. Yeh, horny is kind of the heart of the matter.

It’s interesting to hear stories about sex ed. I don’t remember anything really outside of the biological aspects incorporated into science classes. We did have to do the care for a baby for a week thing but it was more targeted to economics and time management than sex. With the exception we were paired with random members of the opposite sex and spent an evening (outside of class time) making the babies. Ha Ha. No, not like that. Cutting them out of fabric, sewing them together and filling them with dry soybeans. There were some homely kids.

We had to do household budgets and all kinds of things as part of the exercise.

As someone exposed to and taught about things like artificial insemination at grade school age, the aspects of ovulation, fertilization, implantation, etc. were no mystery. With AI you are doing everything possible to ensure pregnancy so it’s pretty easy to extrapolate that to figure out how to prevent pregnancy.

So I was a bit surprised when acquaintances in college were shocked the pull out method wasn’t working out as they had planned. LOL

 

The actual failure rate between fertilisation and week one or two is estimated to be between 50 - 70%. But there is not huge amounts of research on abortion (Guttmacher has done the most) but what there is shows that abortions between 12 - 24 weeks are either, as you stated, for maternal health, foetal abnormality or lack of access. (ultrasounds have pushed timing of later abortions earlier as fatal foetal conditions are detected earlier) it is the latter point that stirs me. Keeping abortions accessible and affordable means women have them earlier. All bans usually do is delay the abortion until later in the pregnancy.
Abortions post viability are almost invariably foetal abnormality

 

Long Acting Reversible Contraception - IUD implanon etc etc etc

 

Again access and cost is an issue
https://ihpi.umich.edu/news/few-hundred-dollars-makes-difference-use-long-acting-birth-control
Colorado’s story is amazing

https://cdphe.colorado.gov/fpp/about-us/colorados-success-long-acting-reversible-contraception-larc

Although that cost looks high compare it with the societal cost of unplanned pregnancy

 

Oh, yeh, and Mother Nature has all those hormonal feedback loops perfected to induce peak horniness at just the right time to maximize the odds of fertilization!

 

Cool. I was unaware of that program. I seldom go to CO anymore and when I do the only obvious changes are more people overall and more “dispensaries”.

 

Congratulations! Do grandparents still take hundreds of pictures?

 

So your ignoring the part where you say, regulate, or ban abortion.

 

NO one is obligated to use birth control...NO one...no matter what misogynistic busy bodies think

 

So that was my favorite elective, called Consumer Economics. We had mailboxes with bills. We paid from our checking account, and balanced the book. There were very practical lessons. Knowing history is important, but there are so many day to day adult decisions, especially about finances. The total consumer debt in the country is a flashing red warning that we are not preparing our kids for adulthood.

But, let’s argue about a rainbow flag.

Oh, and I left that health class knowing I wasn’t a sick freak for having fun time with myself at night. That’s everything to someone who doesn’t know what’s happening.