The last standing racist and segregation policy in the US has come to an end.

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    I gave an example that affects what is happening right now.

    So, yes, it absolutely IS happening.
     
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    Alabama is another very recent case of Republicans attempting to reduce influence by those they don't agree with - once again involving blacks.
     
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    If these court cases have that much sway, then that's a you problem. But it's a miserable way to live life, and a terrible reason for selecting candidates. Regardless of these court cases, and/or attempts, voting participation has gone up, thats a fact. Voting participation will likely continue to go up.

    There's votes to be had, hopefully the party is seriously campaigning to convince those voters.
     
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    Again, you are equating race to what people think or positions that they take (see the bolded). Again, this is racist. If you mean that they are not allowing black people to run for office or to vote, then that's racist and worth noting, but that isn't what you wrote above.
     
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    This is a total dodge.

    They made changes to districting in order ensure that specific groups got less representation.

    Ignoring for the moment that the reason WAS racist, do you see that as a methodology of taking action to win elections is consistent with democracy???
     
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    Yes. And you wrongly equate doing that to racial groups to doing it to "citizens you don't agree with". And before that you wrongly equated knowledge and experience and views to race. You should be more mindful about doing that. It is the same category error that the people you complain about base their worldview and racist acts upon.
     
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    I answered your question about the intent of universities.

    I asked you a perfectly reasonable question concerning racism and equality of rights.
     
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    And I answered your question, agreeing with you. Then I went further and noted your repeated statements confusing things that are not race with race, and asked you to consider thinking twice about doing that. It is the same error of thinking that racists you object to base their views on. By doing it yourself you don't defeat them, you empower them.
     
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    The bolded hits the nail on the head. It is exactly how racism operates, regardless of the target. Its always about broad generalities, and always avoids talking about the individuals being discrminated against, calling that "laughable". It states what [Insert-X-Race} is or does or wants or believes becaue a few people of that race are that, and then declares others of the same reace are also that. It is lazy and indeed evil.
     
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    YES THE DEMOCRATS HAVE DONE WELL TO GET AT THE VOTES AS THE GOP WANTS TO RESTRICT IT!


    ...''There’s anecdotal and some empirical data indicating some voter suppression measures achieved their purpose to hold down votes, particularly in minority communities. There are multiple factors in turnout — the candidates, the weather, money — so any precise estimate on the effects of voting restrictions approved by 19 Republican legislatures is not possible.

    But listen to the voter suppression advocates. Robert Spindell, a GOP member of the Wisconsin Elections Commission, bragged to fellow Republicans that “we can be especially proud” of the lower turnout in Milwaukee, “with the major reductions happening in the overwhelming Black and Hispanic” areas.

    “That’s a no apology celebration of voter suppression,” notes Ben Wikler, chairman of the Wisconsin Democratic party.

    A simple question: Why would Republicans enact voting restrictions after 2020 if it wasn’t to hold down votes?


    ...Looking at selective counties in the primaries in Texas, which has exceptionally tough voting laws, Brennan found the rejection rate for both ballot applications and the ballots were higher for Asians, Black and Latinos than white voters. The complexity of the state’s new voting laws created language challenges.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...measures-are-working-despite-democratic-wins/
     
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    Sure don't believe what the GOP actually says, just ignore evidence that doesn't support your position, lol
     
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    I'll be honest, there could be 100% voter participation and the left would still say they'd be voter suppressed.
     
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    Or you might accept REALITY that there will never be 100% but the GOP WILL KEEP OPENLY ADMITTING THEY WANT TO SUPPRESS THE VOTES (of Dems)...
     
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    And Dems don't want to suppress Republican votes?
     
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    From all of your posts in this thread showing support for racist practices such as telling Asian kids they can’t get into a university because Asian kids have the least desirable personalities on metrics such as kindness in an effort to reduce their application score.
    One of the universities involved in this case, Harvard, did an interview review/study of their admissions process and determined they were discriminating against a minority group. Do you know what they did in response to this finding? Nothing. They were open about their intent being to discriminate against a minority group. Just because you agree with intentionally discriminating against a minority group doesn’t change the facts.

    The Supreme Court said they could only violate the 14th Amendment if they had a defined need approved by the court and they could quantify the benefits of their actions. Neither of the universities in the case ever attempted to comply with Supreme Court precedent. And I don’t think you’d be able to find a single university in America that did. They had two decades to find proof that their diversity goals actually improved the quality of education, but they failed to do so.
     
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    Universities should be able to admit whoever they want, but the government should not be able to provide public money to organizations that admit on the basis of race.
     
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    That's a fine middle ground, going further on that middle ground there should then be some universities that don't admit on race, and those who do and let the free market handle it. I don't mind a libertarian-slant when it's apparent that a fair and even competition can take place.
     
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    *Internal review.. auto-cowreck
     
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    Once again, it's NOT about voter participation.

    It IS about Republicans using tactics to limit representation of those they hate.
     
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    If Voter participation(meaning they voted) is high, then doesn't that mean that the vote is not suppressed? If a high turn out doesn't mean it's not suppressed, then what do Liberals hope to see to defeat the 'suppression' of the votes?
     
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    I'm sick of posters who think it's ok to make up crap and suggest others have said it.

    It's just flat out cheap to make such false accusations.

    I hope you choose not to do that.
     
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    No.

    Plus, voter turnout has never been high.

    The Republican effort to suppress the votes of those they hate has taken many forms, with a couple recent examples that got Republicans rebuked by the courts.

    I seriously hope you don't believe that it is ok to attempt to win elections by making it harder for the opposition to vote, to gerrymander away their representation, etc.

    Those are assaults on our democracy.
     
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    How can you protest someone taking your posts out of context, only to do the same to mine in the same breath? To quote conservatives, if Liberals didn't have double standards, there wouldn't be any. Never once did I say that it's okay to disenfranchise voters, or advanced a position that would disenfranchise voters.

    All I said and outlined, is that this is a clear exaggeration by Democrats, and voter participation has increased in the past 3 elections. You don't contest it, because there's nothing to contest. So this really isn't about 'voter suppression', as much as it is the Democrats needing more to vote for Team Blue.

    And instead of appealing to these voters, because that would actually be difficult to do, they opt for the cheap route of claiming voter suppression. Both parties have felt less and less the need to appeal to the conscious of the voter, but the Democrat has become quite contemptuous and obnoxious about our voting, taking for granted our will as independent voters.

    It's why I hope to avoid as many ads as I can in 2024. The Democrats have ran the same election campaign since 1939, and I already know what they're going to say front and center. I don't need to lend my ear to that. People are oppressed, certain others are the ones oppressing them and only we Democrats can save them.

    It's seriously low effort.
     
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    Discrimination based on race is racism. Don't try to argue semantics with me.
     
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