Florida’s ban on felon gun ownership challenged

The justice system needs to be more focussed on reform. Right now its just a system of punishment, and that doesnt really help anyone. People who endanger society need to be reformed before rejoining society. People who do not endanger society should not be in prison.

 

Basically it comes down to this, do we have "rights" or do we have "Privileges" that we call "rights"

cause if you need the "privilege" to have a "right".... then it's really not a "right", it's a "privilege" disguised as a "right"

 

Thanks for your clarification.

 

Violent criminals? They have to be let out after they complete their sentence. It would be illegal to keep them locked up after that. Chain-saw vs firearms......I don't know about that comparison, although almost anything can be labeled a deadly weapon when used in an assault.

 

agreed-and those who are never going to be anything but a danger to others, have to be permanently incarcerated. we need to make room for them by freeing tax cheats, weed traffickers etc

 

Yes once the sentence is served they have to be let out (unless you take the Wild Bill-Fresh approach of long or life sentences assuming we have the jail space)but the issue is once released, can society be allowed to monitor their whereabouts and the kinds of jobs they apply to or to prevent them from purchasing weapons? I argue yes. Others would say it is excessive. My argument is based on the belief prisons are too crowded and too many questionable people are being released too fast because of that and still need to be monitored, some I think forever like murderers, pedophiles, rapists.

Later. I have said way to much I will now ****.

 

Yes, that is the current system. Its not a very good one. We could change it. Trying to enforce prison rules (like no weapons) outside of prison is an even worse solution.

Chainsaws, baseball bats, hatchets, hammers, machetes... take your pick.

 

And a car capable of traveling at over 200mph is inherently unsafe; in the wrong hands.
So my analogy is valid.
All I'm saying is that if you have an Idiot with a gun, take the gun away, an idiot with a car, take the car away.
And it's a daily event all over the US with no cry from politicians to curb vehicle assaults (a valid phrase if you look it up) but no cries to ban high performance cars.
https://www.modbee.com/news/local/crime/article278271988.html

 

high performance vehicles-like the firearms the anti gun propagandists call "assault weapons" are rarely misused. the desire to banning either is not motivated-in most or any part-by a desire to promote public safety

 

people with life sentences can be released on parole for the rest of their lives

now, life without parole would be different

 

agree, if we removed the right to own a gun, could be treated the same as a car, as it would no longer be a right

 

People can get their license revoked for life but I think it takes a whole bunch of serious screw-ups like four DUIs or something... Or probably the first DUI manslaughter.

 

Depends on what you mean by enforcing. It is enforced by criminal background checks and if LE finds a gun on a felon, there will be consequences.

 

I think your views are shared by most gun owners. Nothing progressive or extraordinary about them.

 

Cuz thats been working so well... What do you suppose happens when a prohibited person tries to buy a firearm from an FFL, is rejected, and is reported to the feds and/or local LE?

 

The 2nd Amendment rights of hard-working law abiding citizens are trampled upon again and again.

Chances are we'll have an example of it on Monday, August 21st, 2023 when an arraignment takes place in a Georgia courtroom. Those hard working, law abiding citizens will probably not be permitted to bring a loaded AR-15 rifle, a pistol or even a revolver into the gallery!

How long can freedom survive this level of suppression of basic rights?

Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot.

 

that's specious silliness. Under Bruen, such restrictions are constitutional.

 

That's true. And I think it is unconstitutional for government to ban gun carry in its buildings. Nevertheless they do. Government has found many ways to ignore nearly everything written in the constitution at one time or another. You either support the constitution or you don't. Government ignores it often when it is inconvenient.

 

Yes, government often ignores the constitution when it becomes inconvenient to support it. The rest of us, though, have no say in the matter.

 

There is no doubt that governments many restrict people from carrying firearms into jails or courthouses or legislative meetings

 

Hi, Turtledude.

And sensible.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot..

 

He won't be able to buy it from FFL. They can still buy from private seller, so there is that.

 

Hi, fmw.

The thought of a gallery packed with armed "Good guys with guns" of both political stripes when Mr. Donald Trump and his cohort are arraigned is [amusing/frightening/(whatever; pick a word,).

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.

 

I aim to amuse whenever possible.

 

Hi again, fmw.

Aye, and there's the rub, as the Bard would have it. One cannot know in advance when a law abiding citizen with a gun will reach some form of breaking point and start shooting at people. I've come to define 'law abiding gun owner' as someone who hasn't shot anyone yet.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.