Will Democrats take the blame for the war in Ukraine?

The current level of conflict in Ukraine was not due to perceived weakness
by the West but by establishing a NATO trained and equipped army of 700,000 in
Ukraine, placing missiles in Romania and Poland and threatening Russia.

Joe's weakness is real but resulted in the US Military Industrial Complex walking
all over him and threatening Russia.

Pres. Putin had no plans to attack Europe, he worked for economic success at home.
The threat by America is an unwelcome interruption in his plans to improve Russia.

But expanding NATO fits in perfectly with Biden's plans to wreck everything and everyone.

 

It's possible Ukraine will not be grateful for our 'help'.

 

Ukraine had no plans to join NATO until after Russia invaded. And Putin obviously had plans to attack Europe . . . because he did so. It had nothing to do with "plans to improve Russia"

 

They would switch alliances to China if they offered them a dollar more.

 

It's kind of pathetic given that Biden assured Putin that a "small incursion" would be "fine" with him. It sure seems to have been fine, and when you add up all the money that Biden has then infused Zelenski et al with, it sure seems that he's the prime factor in more folks in the Ukraine and Russia dying. I find it extremely convincing that the first incursion into Ukraine happened during Obama, then, nothing, and once Biden got back into office, on again.

 

Since The Russian Federation signed the treaty that agreed to Ukrainian and Georgian independence Putin no longer had the right to "make it very clear" what happened there. You will notice that it was Putin that struck without warning, without negotiation and without confronting NATO. If NATO were the problem why didn't he deal with them instead?

 

That is spin on what Biden said. Please support you claim by stating exactly what he said that gave Putin the green light without taking something out of context. I believe the message you are speaking about was that NATO should not go to war if there was a "minor incursion" but that there should be no invasion by Russian forces.

 

Putin explicitly denied Ukrainian statehood as being real when he invaded. He considers the dissolution of the Soviet Union to be the worst disaster in modern history. He likes to compare himself to Russian tsars. He clearly wants Russia to be a great empire again and for neighboring states to be subservient to the whims of Russia as evidenced by his own speeches and writings. Just as he invaded Georgia in 2008 to keep it in Russia's orbit, he invaded Ukraine in 2014, and a further full scale invasion in 2022. Belarus he has long planned for complete integration and annexation into Russia by 2030.

Pretending like the war is anyone's ultimate fault but Putin's is just Kremlin propaganda. Not everything that happens in the world revolves around the POTUS. Dictators around the world have their own priorities. Putin's happens to revolve around imperial expansion by conquest and subjugation of his neighbors.

 

Notice that the Clintons are positioning to get in the middle of the cash stream to rebuild Ukraine?

https://apnews.com › article › clinton-global-initiative-ukraine-action-network-9e9896c6ef53534f49ddaa4fd00de288
Clinton Global Initiative will launch network to provide new ...

'Clinton Global Initiative will launch network to provide new humanitarian aid to Ukrainians 1 of 3 | Pope Francis, seen on a screen, right, speaks with former President Bill Clinton, left, through video conference during the Clinton Global Initiative, Monday, Sept. 18, 2023 in New York.'



https://www.nationalreview.com › 2016 › 07 › hillarys-america-secret-history-democratic-party-dinesh-dsouza-clinton-foundation
How the Clinton Foundation Got Rich off Poor Haitians - National Review

'It filtered money through Haiti and back to itself.'

The American Taxpayer Pays to blow it all up,
The American Taxpayer Pays to rebuild it all.
Lather, rinse repeat.

Interest payments on the Nation debt are climbing sharply, and are now much higher that the entire increase in GDP



I wish I could count on the GOP to have the backbone to bring some sanity to all this money we are sending to Ukraine to pay for a military that fights under Nazi helmets.



GOP has plenty of blame here too.

 

This is a difficult topic because there seems no easy way to reconcile the two sides,
one side is to believe Biden and the US media, that western and central Ukraine are
winning, and Russians dying like flies,

and the alternative is that Biden and the US media are wrong and the forces of western
and central Ukraine are killing themselves on Russian defenses and the only reason
Russian forces are making zero progress is because it is more efficient and more
ideologically acceptable not to.

 

If one believes the pro-Putin posters here, one has to infer that Putin is nothing but a puppet on strings firmly held by hands in the White House and NATO.

Cute. Chucky puppet kind of cute...

 

Both narratives have a lot of staying power, if you've started in one then
cognitive dissonance will blind you to the other, and cognitive fluency will
keep you in the one you are in. Those in either narrative are very stuck
and uncomfortable with the other side.

It's like a river that starts from a mountain lake. You might change the
course of the river starting at the mountain lake, going down a different
way, from the continental divide down a different way to the ocean.

It would be impossible to do that from where it runs into the ocean.

You have to understand people are stuck in one or the other narrative
and can't change. The memeplex has assembled in an alternative form
and will take a lot of work to reassemble the components in a different
layout.

 

Of course you realize that the Clinton Global Initiative is a non-profit charity, not a business.

 

Oh sure. That's a good one!



https://news.yahoo.com › clinton-global-initiative-shuts-down-191820085.html
Clinton Global Initiative Shuts Down: Scandal-Plagued Clinton ...
'The Clinton Global Initiative (CGI), a part of the Clinton Foundation, is reportedly shutting down. It has recently been revealed that the Clinton Global Initiative will be shut down....'

 

If the foundation was shut down in 2017 as your article claims, how can it be used to make money for the Clintons in 2023 as you claimed earlier??????

 

You apparently did not read the post you responded to, nor the provided link. Sad!

 

You said, "Notice that the Clintons are positioning to get in the middle of the cash stream to rebuild Ukraine?

https://apnews.com › article › clinton-global-initiative-ukraine-action-network-9e9896c6ef53534f49ddaa4fd00de288
Clinton Global Initiative will launch network to provide new ..."

then you quote an article from January 15, 2017 saying "that the Clinton Foundation will be shut down"

My question is if it was a questionable charity and was going to be shut down in 2017 how is it going to be used to profit the Clintons in 2023.

This does not need a citation because it is my observation of a flaw in your argument.

 

Robert F. Kennedy Drops A Truth Bomb On Why Russia and Ukraine Are Fighting

'It’s important to know that Eastern European nations’ borders have changed repeatedly over the past several hundred years. This has led to situations where a Ukrainian may find him or herself living in Poland, or a Pole winds up living in Lithuania. It’s also caused a great deal of havoc throughout history.'

'In 1920, Ukraine was a hodge podge of self-proclaimed “states.” It was also easy pickin’s for the communists. The Bolsheviks soon absorbed it as one of the USSR’s founding states.'

'The Soviets “allowed” the Ukrainians to enjoy their heritage under the motto “national in form, Soviet in content.” But within years, that would change. The Kulaks were murdered, farmland was stolen, and nationalism was over. Industrialization was new, and the Donbas region of Ukraine would see a great deal of it. Roughly 10 million Ukrainians were starved to death under Stalin. They were replaced with Russian-speaking people. In short, many Ukrainians hate Russians.'

It's complicated, it started a 100 years ago.

 

Biden Considering Huge $100 Billion Ukraine Spending Package: Telegraph

'Supporters of Ukraine want this to be a one-and-done big bill, and then not have to deal with it until after the next election."'

Bribing Biden was the best money Ukraine ever spent.

 

Great... we'll heve nothing but spitballs to use if China invades Taiwan. Great plan.

 

Your whole diatribe on this topic ignores that it is UKRAINE that has chosen to defend itself against the Russian attempt to conquer them.

It's not only the US who has chosen to help these people defend their country.

And, it's not only Ukraine that Russia would like to subsume, as they work to reestablish the map of the USSR.

The idea that this war is on Biden is just far to STUPID for words.

 

The 'Defense Industry' is a business and exists to make money like any other company.

Milton Friedman Doctrine: a firm's sole responsibility is to its shareholders.

 

No Biden did not. Putin miscalculated how NATO would respond to the second invasion.

 

This is a false premise. Ukraine did not consider joining NATO until AFTER the country was invaded. Prior to that, it wanted to join the EU, an economic consortium and had an entire revolution because of the disastrous decision made by its PM at that time.

 

Many systems take a long time to make. The seeker head on a Stinger missile, for example requires "crystals" that must be "grown" over a long period of time. The seeker head on a Javelin also has requirements for many "long lead items". It takes an entire YEAR to build an F-16. This isn't like going down to the supermarket and picking up a dozen eggs. Industry will do what it can. But they can't ignore the Laws of Physics. And that doesn't include the competition, contracting, assembly line startup (if required) and so forth. Its not as simple as you think it is.