A deluge of violent messages: How a surge in threats to public officials could disrupt American demo

Hypocrisy whatever the excuse

 

If anything, you have exposed the L's for the hypocrites they are..

 

If you need proof of what I listed, then you are either falsifying your claim, or you weren't on the planet.
If you need proof of how many votes Biden received, the voter turn outs, the mail in ballots, the videos provided, Biden campaigning from is basement, then the cult activity would be yours as I didn't list anything that hasn't already been confirmed.
Try again but this time, take off those media blinders you're so fond of.

 

And you know/knew the poster well enough to claim he was in fact a Trumpy supporter?

 

I neither defended nor excused...I merely asked if the person peeing themselveses over "fight like hell" held their own politicians to the same standard.

 

that actually is a direct response to your post...you just don't see it.

If obama wasn't inciting or supporting terrorism, then neither was trump.

You just want to engage in blatant hypocrisy and aren't happy to be called out on it.

If you're gonna make those claims about trump, then the same standard must be applied to all and when it is your argument falls apart because I know you will not admit that obama was inciting terrorism.....so this argument of yours is now over.

 

Dems created the divided world of threats we live in. Unfortunate but true. They used to hold fake severed heads of Trump all based in thier irrational hatred of him, and what theu have been fooled into believing he is.

Shame.

 

Cult like mentality is unfortunately a left wing issue as of lately.

 

I’d like proof of items 1-9, please.

It looks like BS.

 

Can you read?

 

So you can't quote Trump encouraging terrorism
didn't think so

 

While bypassing the OP, introducing a new topic, assuming I have any politicians that represent me, and still not answering the original question.

0 out of 4

Impressive fail

 

Feel free to quote where Obama repeated one of his supporters saying the only good republican is a dead one

While you are at it, show where he said to fight or his cult would lose their country after an election had concluded.

Or where he told his supporters to assault other and he would pay their legal bills?


I don’t see it because it is a laughable claim with zero basis in reality.

 

There has been no proof by anyone let alone you of any thing you have claimed and this explains your above response, Bluffing and pretending your allegations have been proven without proving a shred of evidence speaks for itself.

Now let's compare these two sounds:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/politics/trump-crowd-sound/

https://www.zapsplat.com/music/evil-sinister-cult-chant-several-people/

 

@Condor060

You’re avoiding providing proof for your rants. That’s because they’re BS.

 

First and you may need a dictionary for help:

"Trump is using a tactic known as “stochastic terrorism,” says Juliette Kayyem, a national security expert and former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security. It’s a method of political incitement that provokes random acts of extremist violence, in which the instigator uses rhetoric ambiguous enough to give himself and his allies plausible deniability for any resulting bloodshed. Violent threats or attacks linked to the rhetoric usually generate muted denials and equivocal denunciations, or claims to have been “joking,” as Trump and those speaking on his behalf have routinely hidden behind." 1

1-https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/12/trump-stochastic-terrorism-violence-rhetoric/

and

" Elizabeth Neumann, who until early 2020 served as a DHS assistant secretary focused on counterterrorism and threat prevention, asserted in a Washington Post op-ed before the election that the president has been fomenting violence. “Language from campaign materials and Trump’s extemporaneous speeches at rallies have been used as justification for acts of violence,” she wrote, emphasizing that Trump “has repeatedly been confronted with this fact.” His “inconsistent and muddied” denouncements of violence and white supremacists, she said, only exacerbated the problem: “Extremists thrive on this mixed messaging, interpreting it as coded support.”

Trump has long pursued a campaign of incitement with impunity, unchallenged by Republican leaders in Congress and met with tepid press coverage. “Until recently mainstream media were unwilling to say explicitly that Trump was lying,” Kayyem notes. “In the same way, there is a reluctance to identify the kind of violence that Trump is propagating, maybe because it seems too close to calling him a terrorist. You can call him whatever you want, but the tactics he’s using are clearly a form of terrorism.” 2

2-https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/12/trump-stochastic-terrorism-violence-rhetoric/


Now unlike you or others on this thread who refuse to provide any proof for what you say here you go:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-abc-news-finds-17-cases-invoking-trump/story?id=58912889

Here in a nut shell is what you pretend not to know:

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-hateful-rhetoric-connects-to-real-world-violence/

Here is analysis of what he has said and its link to violence:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10611-023-10085-y

Playing ignorant as to the divisive hate content in Trump's rhetoric is pointless. Chant away.

 

So, by your own admission, you need proof of 1-9 because you have no clue about any of them.
You said it all looks like BS to you.

1. The increase in mail-in ballots
So by your own admission, you didn't know anything about the mail in ballots being the largest in history because of Covid.
And you need proof of it
Mail-in voting became much more common in 2020 primaries as COVID-19 spread
Mail-in ballots accounted for just over half of this year’s primary votes cast in the 37 states (plus the District of Columbia) for which data is available. That was roughly double the mail-in share of the vote in those same jurisdictions in the 2018 and 2016 general elections.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...-common-in-2020-primaries-as-covid-19-spread/
But you didn't know anything about that

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2. Trump being under attack from the government and the media,
If you need proof of the media attacking Trump 24/7, then you're just falsifying your request

3. Biden’s basement hiding with such small rally sizes where he couldn't even fill a high school gymnasium
So by your own admission, you didn't know anything about Bidens small rallies. This is the first you heard of it.
Biden campaign events portrayed as small lack context of COVID-19 guidelines
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...n-events-smaller-because-covid-19/5780898002/




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4. 81 million votes which has never been recorded in history
So by your own admission, you didn't know anything about how many votes Biden received.
How can you be the only person on the planet that doesn't know this?
DNC Reminds Trump: 81 Million Americans Voted for Biden
https://democrats.org/news/dnc-reminds-trump-81-million-americans-voted-for-biden/

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5. Trump leading voter counts, then shutting down the counting, and when they started counting again, magically Biden was leading in every place where they did shut down counting stations. Another historical first.

The recent academic interest in the non-random reporting of election results can be traced to the scholarship of Foley, who noted that in recent presidential cycles, there was a Democratic tilt to the presidential votes counted and reported after election night. He referred to this phenomenon as the “blue shift,” reflecting the empirical irregularity of presidential election results becoming “bluer,” i.e., more Democratic, in the “overtime” period of vote counting after election night.
Wisconsin county did not have a glitch that stole votes from Trump
A data entry error by the Associated Press left presidential totals transposed for several minutes, but election officials were not involved. The votes in Rock County were counted following standard procedure.
Typo led to false post about Michigan votes showing up 'magically' for Biden
A typo by a local Michigan county accounts for a sudden increase in Biden votes. The error was quickly corrected, and framing the incident as evidence of fraud is a gross mischaracterization
Democrat-led states did not stop counting votes for no reason
Mail-in ballots take longer to count, so many states counted overnight. Reports of counting delays or stoppages were either explained or false.
That spike in the Wisconsin vote tally was expected and legitimate, not fraud
The vote tally in Wisconsin jumped at 3:30 a.m. on Nov. 4 because that's when officials finished counting the city of Milwaukee's absentee ballots, a group of votes expected to lean heavily left. It's false to call the spike in the voting count fraud.
Claim saying ongoing ballot counting is cheating, voter fraud is inaccurate
A claim that ongoing ballot counting in Pennsylvania is cheating or fraudulent is false.
Votes in Virginia accidentally tallied for Biden, error quickly fixed
There were 100,000 Central Absentee Precinct ballots that were mistakenly entered for Joe Biden in Fairfax County's unofficial election results spreadsheet, but the error was quickly noticed and fixed. The county's spreadsheet has been amended, and the state Board of Election's total votes counted tally never reflected the error.

But according to you, you have no idea these happened
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6. The actual videos of individuals stuffing thousands of ballots in ballot boxes

https://www.2000mules.com/

7. Voter turn outs in the 80 and 90 percentile range which has never been recorded in history

Minnesota Voter Turnout Nears 80% In 2020, A 'Modern-Day Record'
https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/minnesota-voter-turnout-nears-80-in-2020-a-modern-day-record/

Voter turnout reached over 80% in Bay Area for 2020 election
https://abc7news.com/bay-area-histo...-presidential-election-san-francisco/8088051/

8. Thousands of ballots found in the garbage cans
Man finds ballots, other mail tossed into trash cans in Santa Monica
https://abc7.com/santa-monica-mail-ballots-trash-in/6884527/

Ballots Found in Dumpster in Louisville Suburb, Mail Carrier Fired
https://spectrumnews1.com/ky/louisv...llots-found-in-dumpster-in-louisville-suburb-

Temporary contractor threw Trump mail-in ballots in trash, Pennsylvania county officials say
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tem...-ballots-trash-pennsylvania/story?id=73251533

 

So you're one of those who need proof how many votes Biden received?
Kind of says it all right there, doesn't it.

 

I can't read what you don't post.

Can you quote Trump encouraging terrorism?

 

Asking you for actual proof and logic is hardly some admission that I "don't know" the facts. It's that I do know the facts and I'm demonstrating that you do not.

You bunch your fabrications together hoping that this will assist you in hiding your lack of facts and logic. It doesn't help you. Let's tackle mail in voting first.

There was no fraud there, my ranting chum.

https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_8b1382ba-4b0e-4d9c-b933-adcbced94e98

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...en-mail-voting-and-election-fraud/8269630001/

The claim: Mail-in ballots show bad actors 'how many fraudulent ballots they need to produce'
The 2020 presidential election saw more voters than ever before electing to mail in their ballots, according to FiveThirtyEight. The trend is expected to continue in the 2022 midterm elections.

An Oct. 23 Instagram post, however, claims the use of mail-in ballots is linked to election fraud. The post features a video of a woman claiming there are three things voters must do – one of which is to avoid mailing in their ballot.

"DO NOT put your ballot in the mail! It gives an opportunity for bad actors to know how may (sic) fraudulent ballots they need to produce, reads part of the post's caption, going on to mention a widely debunked documentary. "2000 mules anyone?"


But the claim is baseless.

Election security experts told USA TODAY that no one can tell from looking at a mail-in ballot who someone has voted for. There are multiple security measures in place around mail-in voting to ensure that ballots are properly delivered to election offices and that fraudulent ballots are not counted at the polls.

Charles Stewart III, an election security expert at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, told USA TODAY. “It’s a crazy idea that only someone with no knowledge of election administration would come up with."

USA TODAY reached out to the social media users who shared the claim for comment.

Security measures exist around mail-in voting
Election security experts told USA TODAY that mail-in voting is secure, with an array of checks and doublechecks that ensure every ballot counted is a legitimate one.

There are multiple security measures in place to ensure that no one can view that ballot or know any of the ballot counts, according to David Becker, director of the Center for Election Innovation and Research.

Steven Bellovin, a security expert at Columbia University, told USA TODAY. Depending on the state, the envelope may or may not contain identifying information that is checked on receipt, but this information does not include who a person voted for.

Election officials also verify that everyone who has requested a ballot has filled out an application and is registered to vote in the state, according to Tammy Patrick, senior advisor to the elections program at Democracy Fund.

The mail-in ballot's inner envelope, which is sealed with the ballot inside, or the flap attached to it contain verification information such as a voter's signature, serial number or bar code, according to a 2020 article Bellovin wrote. When a mail-in ballot is received at the election office, the identity and eligibility of the voter are verified, usually by signature matching or matching the labeled identification number, before the ballot is removed from the envelope and counted, Becker said.

False claim of 590,000 'excess votes' in Washington state during 2020 election

The serial numbers on ballot envelopes make it "impossible for someone to simply print up a pile of blank ballots and submit them," according to the 2020 article from Bellovin. The voter’s signature is "checked against the registration database, a guard against imposters using valid ballots."

Election officials also ensure that any voter mailing in their ballots cannot then go vote in person again, another safeguard that prevents fraudulent ballots from being counted at the polls, according to Becker.

Patrick also noted the concept of manufacturing ballots is absurd because of the logistics involved. There can be hundreds of different ballot styles in one large county alone, which would make it impossible to carry out a campaign like the one claimed in the post.

Studies show mail-in voting is secure
Multiple studies show that mail-in voting is safe and secure. For example, a 2020 study found that expanding mail-in voting increases voter access and discourages adversaries from interfering with elections, Natalie Scala, an election security expert at Towson University who co-authored the study, told USA TODAY in an email.
But

 

Who was being "murdered"?

 

BBBbbbut they love the police. How can that be?

 

Americans and cops

 

Nope, sorry, I made it clear to you and you asked me for more proof

To which you stated

So you claimed all 9 claims were BS, and now you come back with, Oh, I just wanted to know if you know?
Not hardly
So its a bit late to come back and cry about you knowing anything from the list I provided

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How about proof?