886,000 Million dollar military budget

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by yangforward, Dec 14, 2023.

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Joe Biden wants to

  1. Bankrupt the US

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  2. Get into more wars

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  1. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    886 Billion dollars

    Bigger than ever, biggest in the World by far
    and there will be add on expenditures, may
    total 1 Trillion in 2024.

    What is the plan?

    Does the Biden Administration want to bankrupt the US?
    ruin the dollar? or get us into some more wars?

    They have something in mind but what is it?
     
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  2. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They have to replenish what Biden gave Zelensky for free while they charge Israel for tank shells.
     
  3. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why not that much money? Ukraine is gonna need it so they can lose to Russia a year from now instead of tomorrow.
     
  4. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    You forgot the option "Neither."


    This was a bipartisan effort in the MDAA. DoD defense brings lots of jobs to lots of Congressional districts and states, many of whom are conservative politically, like Texas, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, and some liberal states like California, Washington, Virginia, and New York, among other states. It also includes pay raises for US soldiers, and multiyear procurement contracts which will include the USS columbia class, USS Virginia class, and the Arleigh Burke Class. So, it was a good deal, and this is 50% of the discretionary expenditures within the entire federal budget. So, this budget "keeps America safe" which is what you don't want politically apparently.
     
  5. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    Not really.
     
  6. Zorro

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    It also preserves warrantless spying on Americans by extending section 702. Cotton, Cruz, Rubio. So next time they are going on and on and on about censorship or some other damn abuse by the Executive Branch, remember that three pretenders agreed to extend warrantless searches in exchange for this near $T "Defense" bill.
     
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  7. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    $886,000 million / $162 million employed = $5,470 per employed person

    The employed US public won't miss an average of 5,470 dollars each
    for the privilege of bombing somewhere and spreading freedom.
     
  8. Dayton3

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    I wrote an editorial several years ago where I argued that the U.S defense budget should by one trillion dollars with annual increases of at least 50 billon a year.......At least....
     
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    Governments #1 job is to protect its people.

    Strange how it’s expenditures in that aspect are what’s blamed for our financial problems whilst the magnitudes larger social welfare entitlements get a free pass.

    whoever decided “promote the general welfare” is an untouchable holier than thou spend whatever you want on Ponzi scheme freebies #1 role of government is the biggest moron ever.
     
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    Several military commanders have complained about congress spending money on things the military doesn't want or need, but the money is allocated sole because it benefits jobs in that state.
     
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    Whatever you do, don’t go into detail or anything. Might spoil whatever point you’re trying to make
     
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    To do what Reagan did. Spend the Russians into economic disaster.
     
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    US military budget has been the biggest in the World for quite some time now. In other words, this isn't new this year.
     
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    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    Hmm this is how you approached the defense budget with our last president:

    Very interesting.
     
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    Collective defense is given this much money, but collective health care is not possible. What is being defended?
     
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    Once again you seem confused.
    A) I never claimed I support our bloated military budget in the post you replied to. All I did was point out our budget has pretty much always been the biggest in the world. In other words I simply pointed out a fact.
    B) I never said ANYTHING about Trump in the other posts you supplied. You do know the president doesn't do the work setting the budget right?
    C) I have always believed our military budget is ridiculously high and still do.

    But I am flattered how much you pay attention to me. I do have to tell you I'm married. Sorry to disappoint you.
     
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    Bigger than ever…..in current/nominal dollars, however, as a percentage of GDP, the OP didn’t do his homework.
     
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    Well, you have to work hard to keep the military budget ahead of interest payments. Biden does not purposefully want to bankrupt the US, but most of his policies have that in the end. If you asked him if he wanted a war he would lick his ice cream cone and say, "Nah."
     
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    If anything, the current world situation demonstrates that we need to dramatically increase our defense spending, which is one of the few functions the Feds are doing that they are Constitutionally required and allowed to do.

    The Russians are showing aggression, which may continue. I'm less concerned about that now that I know how much of a joke their military and it's equipment actually are, but unless this resolves in a manner in which the nation of Russia is broken up, with Pooteen either dead or on trial for war crimes and more, and it's militaristic, expansionistic actions are not only halted, but are not at all desired by whatever government(s) emerge from the ashes.

    We have millions of illegals pouring over our borders virtually unchecked- How many of those millions are either terrorist cells, Chinese spies and/or soldiers, same from Russia, Iran, other Jihadist organizations, and other sorts of violent psychopaths are amongst those millions? Nobody knows, but anyone who says it's none is either an idiot or lying, and if it's even 1%, it's tens of thousands or more.

    China. Do I really need to expand on that.

    As for what we're giving and/or selling to Ukraine and Israel, a lot of it is older stuff that would have needed to be replaced soon, anyway, so let's not overstate what it's actually costing us that we weren't going to have to spend anyway. Just like the pay our soldiers get, they're getting paid whether they're in a warzone of a conflict you don't like or just sitting at a domestic base training.
     
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    If the general welfare is being degraded due to excess military spending, the question imposes itself again; what is being defended?
     
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    everything
     
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    The military and it's budget is like car or house insurance -- you pay a lot but you hope you never need it.
     
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    We need the choice: "Both".
    At least military spending is in the budget!

    We are supplying two wars, and tip toeing into a war with Russia, and a war with China.
    The stakes are our customer base and defense partners in Europe, and freedom of the seas allowing US shipping free access to through the Indian Ocean. In the long run American trade access could be bottled up to where only Western Europe and South America will be accessible without asking China for a permit.
    BTW, the Philippines are also at risk as of this date.
    Ukraine is also a NATO buffer state against Russia.
     
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    The extremely expensive American defense budget is the result of the US government allowing defense contractors to rob them blind as well as lobbyists and politicians cutting deals behind closed doors. Also the fact that the US DoD is arguably the most financially mismanaged and irresponsible organization in the history of the country. I've always said if the US DoD were a civilian company they'd be Enron.

    Republicans tend to hate it when anybody says this because they take it as an attack on the military which is a mortal sin. But it's not an attack on the military. The DoD doesn't need a budget increase it needs a MASSIVE outside audit with zero government officials allowed to have any part of the audit process. The sheer amount of money that is wasted in the DoD is ridiculous to the point of actually being hilarious. We don't even consider it money, it's monopoly money it's not even real. I'm sitting here playing with a $300 knife at my desk that you taxpayers bought for me because we had to blow a couple thousand dollars in a day in order to balance our books lol. And this is by no means the only "free" piece of cool equipment that I have stashed all over my house as the result of having to blow the rest of the budget. Not even close. And I'm one guy, and us getting thousands of dollars worth of "free" stuff isn't even a drop in the ocean regarding the amount of money we waste on a daily basis in the DoD.

    The budget increase is the result of inflation primarily. The US Government has to maintain weapon and equipment stockpiles and research and whatnot and allows itself to be ripped off by defense contractors and since the price of stuff is going up so does the DoD budget. If you want to decrease the military budget then petition for an audit and petition for the renegotiation of these defense contracts. You'll never get one because the people with the power to authorize such things are the same ones who make money off of it but you can try. But that's where the money is going.
     
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    Citation needed.
     

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