Anti-vaxxers crumble as every prediction fails to come true

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    If he gets covid at the Olympics before his competition, his Olympic chances are dead. Figure it out.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Nuh uh" is not a valid argument. The risk of hospitalization/death for healthy teens is close to zero.

    I have the highest respect for your wifes profession. unfortunately, your claim that Americans are taking better care of themselves is false. Obesity is at an all time high. 1/3 of Americans are diabetic or pre-diabetic.

    You cannot make an honest case that the product has any value to healthy people or that it prevents people from spreading the virus. Also, can you show me a study on the long term effects of taking this product for 10, 20, 30 years?

    I can show you that people that eat a healthy diet, stay active, and avoid taking pharma products live longer and enjoy a higher quality of life. If you don't believe me, ask your wife.
     
  3. LangleyMan

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    Cut the BS. Provide serious evidence: https://scholar.google.com/
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LM - you were told on numerous occasions the shot does not reduce transmission ? nor is there any indication that Jabbed healthy people fair better through covid than the unjabbed.

    and in fact .. given the high risk of harm from the Jab 1 in 300 for males age 16-30 .. it is Jabbing that has the greater risk of destroying chance for medal.

    The Gov't lied to you mate .. need to come to grips with that reality.
     
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    and there is no indication the Jab would have helped those healthy teens avoid hospitalization/death. On the other hand the risk of a Severe Adverse Reaction from the Jab for a 18 yr old male is 1 in 300 .. .. a Massive risk of harm compared to something like the swine flu vax with an SAR of 1 in 100,000


    You were given the evidence numerous times .. The Phase III clinical trials by Pfizer and Moderna show an average SAR of 1 in 800 .. what part of that evidence did you not understand ?
     
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    I don't think the shot reduces the likelihood of getting Covid but, particularly for the infirm, reportedly lessens its symptoms. Even that is open to debate.
     
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    Do you really think the jab will protect anyone? If so, you don’t believe in science. You believe in fairy tales promoted by a criminal cabal.
     
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    No. It won’t work. You won’t accept the truth.
     
  9. LangleyMan

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    I emphasized (see above) the part of what I wrote you're ignoring.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8323903/
    What about the long-term impact of covid?
    I do all of the above, don't have to take prescription drugs, and still can hit a golf ball 250+ yards in the air.

    But I have had the covid shots.
     
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    I have no issue with your decision to consume this untested product. Its your body. My issue is using false information to compel people to consume it. Your article mentions risk factors, but not the percentage. Its close to zero for healthy people. Many had to choose between their jobs or jabs to avoid a risk far lower than driving to get the shot!

    In Los Angeles, they shut down golf courses even though we know that the virus can't survive in sunlight. I have years of research on strengthening the immune system, I don't get colds or the flu. I don't need government or random people on the internet to tell me how to keep myself healthy.

    I can also hit a golf ball 250 yrds. (125 yards forward and anther 125 yrds to the right!)
     
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    I don't think you have any idea of the trade-off in getting the vaccine. He's trading the risk of taking the vaccine against the risk of getting covid that for him is a long-term health risk (as it is for everyone) and a risk a positive covid test will end his Olympic dream. The vaccine significantly reduces the chance if catching covid for a month or two.
     
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    It isn't untested. Billions of people have taken the vaccine.
    Did I say **I** would compel people to get vaccinated? No.
    You're fixated on the death rate. Covid can damage your lungs permanently.
    They never shut down the golf courses in British Columbia where I "camped out" during the pandemic.
    You may have to give up some types of work if you won't get vaccinated. I wouldn't let you near a skilled nursing facility without getting vaccinated. Same for a hospital ward. You don't have the right to make others sick.
     
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    It is what it is, nothing more, nothing less.
     
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    No need to apologize. I am quite suitably informed as to all aspects of the batshit you eagerly take in. As for debating it, your lack of response is fine by me.
    You're not providing any.
    The irony! You only accept evidence that goes against it, no matter how daft or deceptive it is.
    More irony. Judge yourself.
     
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    It's right in front of your nose. Again, this from Canada...

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    The unvaccinated 20% did 47% of the dying.
    I won't discuss this with you further because you make stuff up...
     
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    I don't think anyone does.
    We were initially told that the shot was a biological dead end for the virus. You could neither get nor spread it after the shot. We could vaccinate ourselves out of this thing. Later, drug companies admitted they hadn't actually tested a lot of this and we are not allowed to see their data for 75 years. (Has that changed?) I then saw Fauci on video stating how much better it is for the young to take the shot than not but offered no actual numbers.

    We do know Djokovic refused to take the shot and it wasn't Covid that undermined his career. It was the establishment scaring us and demanding compliance.
     
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    That is a completely false accusation "You make stuff up" unsupported to boot .. what was "Made up".

    You keep misrepresenting this statistic after being told your error numerous times. Your death stat only applies to extremely unhealthy people .... and your claim that the unvaccinated was 20% is also misleading/false as for the first year - no one was vaccinated.
     
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    Hahahahahahahaha.

    "All for the state; nothing outside the state; nothing against the state." Is this your motto?
     
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    I am fixated on the health and quality of life for my family. Do you have a 10, 20, 30 year study on the long term effects?

    We know that taking this product does not prevent contracting or spreading the virus. The sales pitch "If you don't take it, you're trying to kill grandma" turned out to be false. This inferior product has no value for healthy people.

    Your vague statements "It may harm your lungs" are not scientific. Taking the vaccine may cause long term effects. We don't know yet. You are brave to let the gov use you for testing.
     
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    That's very presumptive of you and also very slippery. See, I'm not here to prove myself right, I'm here to destroy the whole anti-vaxxer conspiracy laden narrative by showing that you people have no evidence whatsoever except other anti-vaxxers regurgitating the same tired arguments. So, anyone reading these posts who are on the fence, let me ask you, who seems more trustworthy, some random people on YouTube and TikTok, who make their money by getting people to watch their videos, or true experts in this field, the doctors and researchers who have studied biology and medicine for decades and have built their theories on a bedrock of science that stretches back, literally, centuries? The choice should be obvious.
     
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    "So, anyone reading these posts who are on the fence, let me ask you, who seems more trustworthy, some random people on YouTube and TikTok, who make their money by getting people to watch their videos, or true experts in this field, the doctors and researchers who have studied biology and medicine for decades and have built their theories on a bedrock of science that stretches back, literally, centuries?"

    :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Sadly, some people will never figure that out until it's too late.
     
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    I know you’re right, but it boggles the mind. The evidence of big pharma’s corruption and criminality was evident BEFORE Covid. Massive fines and penalties levied against them, numerous harmful drugs they’ve pushed on the market, and the revolving door between government and pharma was well known BEFORE Covid. Yet so many Americans can somehow ignore these facts and believe in fairy tales.

    I guess it proves some of the people can be fooled all the time.
     
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    It is obvious, but sadly and very ironically those who believe the random people and disregard copious numbers of experts, are the ones who claim they "know things" that they don't.
     
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    Your problem is that you don't know what you're talking about.
     

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